Coming Soon: Largest Gun Grab In American History

The Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own disability payments — a move the NRA is calling the “largest gun grab in American history.”

The push is intended to integrate data for the first time from the Social Security Administration into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), OutdoorHub reported. Beneficiaries who have been declared incompetent to manage pension or disability payments and assigned a fiduciary could then potentially lose their right to bear arms.

The move could affect as many as 4.2 million adults who fall under that category, The Los Angeles Times reported.

169 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • pete G says:

    Obama acts like he’s really concerned about all the killing in America and he didn’t have the guts to pick up a phone and tell the Parents of Kate how sorry he was, know way? Because he could care less about that white girl. To me he caused her death with open borders and allowing criminals to roam free here. He should be charged but he won’t.

  • pete G says:

    I wonder which group this total nut job will target next? People who pay taxes.

  • Peter Smith says:

    They can’t have my guns. They’ll have to try and take them. I may lose in the end, but it will very noisy and I won’t be the only one going down for the count.

  • edorr1atcoxdotnet says:

    So what is wrong with banning sales of weapons meant for death from those who are not mentally stable, have you heard what happened in Louisiana this past weekend. A man who obviously had no business having a gun was able to purchase one and go into a theatre and kill two and injure others. You and the NRA apparently jump with joy at news like that.

    1. Robert says:

      Who should determine that? You, Obama, Federal agencies? they have certainty done a wonderful job for the last 6.5 years.

  • curtmavi38 says:

    Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Maybe we should ban all people. This might seem silly and it might be but banning all guns seem really silly to me. meh

  • TeeTop2 says:

    It is we who have turned our backs on the Constitution and the Amendments.
    We have turned our backs on God and His guiding hand and chosen to follow our own way.
    We the people need to repent of our sins and turn from our unrighteousness.
    We have chosen to follow liars and murderers. (Our politicians and judges.)
    We have become complicit in removing prayer, Ten Commandments, Pledge of Allegiance from our schools and replaced them with evolution, sexual promiscuity, and rewritten history.
    Yes it is we the people who needs to repent and turn from our wicked ways.

  • ICDB says:

    How many GRANDPAS and GRANNIEs are in prison for drive by murders??? Damned dumb demorcrats and their wacked out president should all be committed to the insane asylum

  • peanut butter says:

    Little by little, going after the elderly and helpless first, so they won’t fuss too much about losing their freedoms. Then he will move on until he finally gets to those who are willing to defend those freedoms. That’s when it all comes down to revolution. I don’t see how we can possibly keep taking abuses. One day, this armed citizenry is going to POP!

  • Richard Schwartz says:

    probably an executive order which will be ignored. If action is taken to enforce it all hell will break loose. This from an administration that wants to control cow farts.

  • Richard Schwartz says:

    Pass all the legislation you want because if it is not liked it will be ignored. That is the american way.

  • Bonnie68 says:

    I would like to ask a non-partisan question. If they search the social security database for people who can no longer manage their own financial lives, they will probably come up with a very long list. Why would some of these people not be able to manage their financial lives. They could have mental problems that keeps them from being able to control their money or any other part of their lives. Do you want this type of person owning a gun or do you want this person to have a gun that someone else can take and use? If a person is elderly and does not control their own finances, and has a gun, but they can’t remember where they are most of the time. Do you want this person to have a gun and possible use it not knowing what they are doing, or have someone else take this gun and use it? There are valid reasons people do not handle their finances. But if it is for a monetary reason than those people will have the resources to get the designation change. I for one, do not want mental ill people out in the street with a hand gun.

    1. Detriotcity says:

      Why did the government do away with places for the insane people to go, It was because it cost too much money, and the government cannot and will not do anything right. Consequently, in this case the government thinks they know better than the citizen who should own a gun. The government takes this freedom away this time and the next time it is your right to own a gun that comes into play. A lot like Obamacare, — you are going to get insurance or we (the government) are going to fine you. The supreme court calls this a tax. Citizens of the US calls it the loss of choice or freedom. Another bitter pill to swallow. The administration should be charged with treason for bringing it up.

    2. pilgrimson says:

      Maybe their just bad with math!!
      Would that justify taking away their right?
      I’m 75 yrs. old. I can count five holes in a ring 3inches tight at 25 yards.
      ya wanna get that close to me to take my weapon away?
      Not a good move!!

  • Steven Swanson says:

    I guess that includes the Whitehouse Porch Monkey since he can’t live within a Budget !!!

  • tracymae says:

    What is wrong with our congress? This man creates all of these problems for our nation, congress (some of them), identifies some of these problems and none of them do a damned thing. What the hell did we elect them for? They are not representing us. Are they any better?

  • jdbixii says:

    The fact is that there is no such thing as the “common defense.” American no longer has unity in beliefs and belief systems held in common, which has, in fact, produced the era of terrorism derived from a basic belief system. Liberals have dealt with the “general welfare” since Social Security. The notion that the equality of entitlements will bring about the equality of ability, much less the equality of greed, is pure fiction.

  • Patriot1955 says:

    This president thinks he is above the law and that is not the actions of a sane person so he should be committed and hospitalized for being insane. Good bye.

    1. Bonnie68 says:

      Bush thought he was above the law when he started spying on Americans phone calls. But he got caught and he had to have oversight of a judge, remember

  • William Britton says:

    Revolution!!!! Coming to America in the near future! Thank a democrap for it!!!!

  • Irish1025 says:

    That dirty SOB!! what a low life sorry worthless POS.

  • cool breeze says:

    local cops probably not participate in the confiscation. however, the UN might. and the UN stooges wear blue helmets. Those things have “put bullet here” written all over it.

  • Sam says:

    Common sense is the sense that makes all other sense nonsense! Boy do we have a gut full of nonsense going on in Washington, DC. Perhaps a good cleansing enema would flush out the fermentation that has been accumulated the past few years. God grant us a fresh start!!!

  • Jeanne Laurin Crawford says:

    it’s our right to bare arms, to survive with, and fill our freezers with food for the winter.

  • Alton Clark says:

    Government lacks the mental capacity to balance America’s checkbook so maybe they should not be allowed to take anyone’s gun’s !

  • enubus says:

    Gee, how many senior citizens have been shooting anyone? This is just another lawless move by the halfbreed tin horn despot to emulate the monsters of the 20th century, like Hitler, Stalin and Mao whose policies caused the death of over 150,000,000 people. I guess he likes to go to Federal Court.

  • Tim says:

    what I want to know, can anyone or anything stop an executive order???

    1. Detriotcity says:

      Yes. Executive orders can be overturned by 2/3 vote of Congress. They can also be nullified by another sitting President by not enforcing a previous executive order. This would most likely end up going to a law suit and the supreme court deciding the outcome.

    2. Robert says:

      Yes as soon as he leaves office, provided they have any balls.

  • gary says:

    I think Obama is incompetent to be President he should be sent to a nut factory and put in a rubber room for about 50 years…!!

    1. jondarmes says:

      He’s not incompetent, he just hates America, White Americans, and everything they stand for.

      1. Vernon says:

        He’s not incompetent, just plain stupid – stupid is as stupid does and he proves it!

        1. jondarmes says:

          It’s kind of like the muslim terrorists, why do they do it?? WHO CARES. the bastards do it so deal with it.

  • Dave Batz says:

    Next will be poor people who will be deemed as mentally deficient in handling their finances. “That’s why they’re poor”???? How sadistic is it to disallow any poor person the ability to protect themselves from those with evil intent?
    OH…But wait, most of those people that are SS recipients are already poor because we can’t expand it. (Sarcasm Intended)!

  • Walt says:

    What part of we hate this clown’s leadership does he not understand. He wasn’t even a decent community organizer. He stands on a podium and tells the Ethiopians he was a very good president and if he could run a third term he would. What a joke. He should of ran alright, when he was campaigning in 2008, he should have ran back to Kenya. Thank God he can’t issue an executive order to run a third term…

    1. gary says:

      I wanted them to keep him but they don’t want him either..

    2. cool breeze says:

      when obama is doing the fornication thing with his woman he’s telling her he could have been a porn star. and that is delusional carry on

  • Richard Schwartz says:

    Americans don’t demonstrate and raise hell. They quietly go about their lives and when they disagree quietly go their own way. If you think they will roll over to Obama you don’t understand Americans. They do what they damn well please very quietly. Kinda like people quietly move out of blue states when they had enough of high taxes. Same principle.

    1. gary says:

      That will end quickly if anyone changes the 2nd amendment….The demonstrations from all races will make Ferguson look like a picnic….and God help you if you live in Washington…

  • cool breeze says:

    does anyone else recognize the pattern here? our government sets up an entitlement plan. be it social security, healthcare, snap, section 8 housing, the list can continue for many lines on this page. the moment we allow govt to deem us a dependent on government we have NO RIGHTS; ZERO ZILCH NADA.. WHY ARE ALLOWING OUR GOVT TO ADVANCE THAT FORMULA AND PLAN TO TYRANNY. These words have been spoken many times by many people “WAKE UP AMERICA”. feel free to share

    1. gary says:

      It’s called Socialism and Obama and his Democrat cult are out to bring it to every doorstep in America…

      1. cool breeze says:

        thanks, good to know i’m not the only one. most un and under educated americans dont know the definition of socialism anyway. have a nice day

        1. Detriotcity says:

          I am sure that you have heard of communism like Russia. They have collective farms and the such — well the socialist ideals are taken right out of the ideals of Russia and other communist countries.

      2. Robert says:

        Its really closer to Marxism.

    2. gjbare says:

      Progressive/Rinos will not help us because they really are Democrats in Rino clothing

  • don says:

    you dead beats in congress –stop this obama soon to gungrab—NOW

    1. gary says:

      I regularly raise Hell with my Representative in Congress …but how many of you do ..? How many of you even know the name s of your Representatives..???

      1. cool breeze says:

        i’ve told my congressman and senator( the one that will talk to me) eye to eye face to face; we know where you live, where your wife get the groceries and where your kids got to school. their grip in the handshake goes a little limp everytime

        1. Bonnie68 says:

          So do you wonder why the others won’t talk to you?

          1. cool breeze says:

            i just happen to be the UNAFRAID AMERICAN. They work for us, remember. The others wont talk to me because they’re afraid of the truth. MY MISSION IS TO ENCOURAGE ALL AMERICANS TO DO WHAT I HAVE. AND BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU MENTION THE WIFE AND KIDS THEIR ATTENTION GETS FOCUSED ON THE WORDS

          2. bobnstuff says:

            You are a true nut job and will end up in jail.

          3. danny kimbrel says:

            How exactly is he a nut job ? for getting his representatives attention ? you are the real nut job with very limited thinking ability obviously.

          4. bobnstuff says:

            Someone gets into your face and you are going to listen to them, right, what world do you live in. All he is doing is proving that some people shouldn’t have guns. I can walk into any elected persons office and get a fair hearing with out a problem. If I don’t get the answer I want I go and campaign for someone who will. If you tell a person that you know were they live and who their family is you are making a treat of valance and will have police involved.

          5. Robert says:

            And soon as you leave their office, they forgot why you were even there. They are to busy planning who they can rip off next, to redistribute your wealth not theirs.

          6. Robert says:

            You’ll be right their with him.

  • Dudley DoRight. says:

    0bama for prison 2016

  • Laura says:

    What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t they understand?

    1. Raymond J Ambrozaitis says:

      What part of well regulated militia confuses you?

      1. jondarmes says:

        What does a well regulated militia have to do with it?

        1. Raymond J Ambrozaitis says:

          Well it is like this jondarmes if you bother to check the post I am replying to you might just comprehend what it has to do with it. Otherwise yup right over that tin hat you wear.

          1. jondarmes says:

            The well regulated militia is an after thought. Shall not be infringed is the important part as it acknowledges that the right to keep and bear arms is an inherent right that pre-existed the constitution.

          2. Raymond J Ambrozaitis says:

            The after thought is morons conveniently supporting only parts of the Constitution. Yall do the same with your Bible as well and that is why Murika is no longer the great nation it once was.

          3. Robert says:

            Are you a constitutional scholar like Obama? This has gone before The Supreme Court and been decided but because you don’t think it is the right decision, you think it should be changed. Who elected you to make that decision?

    2. don says:

      what part of screw your gun rights do you not under stand?–that is what our congress thinks

      1. homegirl says:

        Are you referring to the current GOP/TP dominated Congress?

        1. Robert says:

          Just Progressives and RINOS.

          1. homegirl says:

            “If you think Socialist countries have so much Freedom why don’t you live there?” Classic Tea Bagger response when they have nothing.

          2. Robert says:

            You have nothing. Your just another Progressive Democrat or RINO with his head where the sun don’t shine. Keep it there and stop annoying the rest of us.

          3. homegirl says:

            So, you have decided to publicly double down on displaying your stupidity.

          4. Robert says:

            You have already done that yourself.

          5. homegirl says:

            Oh Robert, I am going to give you what you so desperately need-the last word. I know you will not be happy or satisfied until your ego is convinced of your superiority by having the very last word on this subject. Keep posting, I will not waste my time responding.

          6. Robert says:

            Great glad to hear it.

      2. Robert says:

        And is being pushed by Obama.

    3. podunk1 says:

      It’s the Article 6 (This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. The Senators and representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution…”) and oath/duty (defend the Constitution against anybody, any time, without any reservation!) are Supreme Law requirements that are placed on every judge and politician in the land!
      AN UNQUESTIONABLE “SUPREME LAW PENALTY” is in the 14th Amendment Section 3 “Amendment 14 – 3. “No (oath bound) person shall … hold any office… (who has) engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the (Constitution), or given aid or comfort to (its) enemies…!” Insurrection is acting against Constitutional authority. Rebellion is revolt/betrayal of oath duty to government. It’s TREASON!! As quoted, any court or judge in the nation who fails to defend is betraying their oath. The Maoist/RINO Obama criminal enterprise WILL NOT DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION! Citizens must make it happen!

      1. gary says:

        Obama clearly violated his oath of office when he tried to eliminate the 2nd amendment .. Where is our United States Attorney General and our Supreme Court ..???

        1. podunk1 says:

          They’re obviously not only aiding and abetting both insurrection and rebellion, but heaping obstruction of justice on top of that. All noted were obviously under oath duty to protect and defend against any enemy (subject is the Constitution) without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion… more acts of treason!!

          The same charges apply to any within Congress, who fail to defend!

          1. Gaylon Barrow says:

            It is quite obvious Obama has more malicious intent than just to grab guns. His open speaking to the people three days ago of his disregard for a third term is forbidden by the Constitution gives one wonder what his next move will be. This part of the gun grab has been out there for awhile. I am not sure he can executive privilege that into a just law because of the second amendment. It will depend on the ignorance of the Supreme Court who has backed him continuous up until now. I feel he wishes to keep the White House but knows there is no way as long as America’s people are armed. It will be one hell of a fight but one I am gearing up to.

          2. chris berrian says:

            He also did said to the people in his “home country”kenea that he’s not just going to give the to just anyone. Refering to someone like trump.

        2. Bonnie68 says:

          When did try to tell anyone that they could not own or purchase a gun? Please enlighten me. Because all he tried to do is get people with criminal records and mental histories not to be able to purchase a gun. Oh yes and he tried to not allow assault weapons. Other than that how did he take your guns?

          1. Detriotcity says:

            One bit at a time!
            This is how the democrats work. Obama’s attempt to take out the ammunition for a certain type of gun has failed. Their attempt to create more laws to keep citizens from having a gun – have failed. The constant harassment of gun owners on so many levels borders on violation of the second amendment.of our Constitution on their part. They should be tried and convicted and sent away..Our Congress should try Obama on violating the 2nd amendment for the things he is trying to do. Now he wants to take guns away from seniors — hey Obama take them away from criminals and illegal people from Mexico. Not the citizens of the United States who have fought and died to protect the Constitution. Take a look at who is killing who! Chicago criminal gangs, Detriot where Muslims and Mexican gangs are fighting black gangs. It time!

          2. Bonnie68 says:

            But by what you are telling me here he has tried and failed miserably. I don’t think you can charge someone for violating the Constitution for trying and failing each time. All it does is get everybody worked up. But wasn’t the shortage of ammo due to the closing of that on smelting plant because they wouldn’t change to the EPA requirements approved under Bush. Just asking.

          3. Detriotcity says:

            Bonnie68, Obama is a total failure. His socialist policies will never work in the US. The story line is always something like “a violation” or “in the best interest of America”, or “science says” or “global warming is the fault”, never anything that you can get facts on. I do not fault a person for trying — i do fault a person for experimenting with our well being at stake with his socialist agenda. Sorry, my answer to you is NO – HIS AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY’S INTENTION IS TO TAKE GUNS OUT OF THE AMERICAN CITIZENS HANDS. It will never happen unless we let it happen. We are 40 million strong and growing daily.

          4. Bonnie68 says:

            I myself agree with you. The citizens have a right to have guns. I don’t want mentally ill people to have guns. I don’t want criminals to have guns, but they can get them illegally. So like I said I agree with you.
            My problem with all of this is the name calling when someone doesn’t agree with the other ones belief. I can tell by your picture that you are probably around my age and we can both remember when kids could go anywhere without a problem. So many people “hate” now a days that you have to worry about going out your front door. It is a shame how this country has gone so down hill. Plus the language that is used to berate people is disgusting.

          5. Detriotcity says:

            Bonnie 68, I totally agree with your statements. I used to be a democrat when I was young — voted on party lines, etc., then I found out by doing some fact checking on my own, that the liberal way of thinking was getting so far away from my own beliefs I had to turn to another party. Like you say we come from a time when you could leave your doors unlocked. Go out an play with the neighbor kids without fear, live life to the fullest without anybody bothering you. Neighbors took care of neighbors in those times. The policies of the Obama administration is so foreign to me, that I cringe each and every time I see the man on TV. I am sure that JFK would turn over in his grave if he knew what was going on in the democrat party today. The lack of morals, the intrusion into the lives of our children, and into the lives of grown-up citizens of the US is criminal as far as I am concerned. I do not like the name calling. If I try to have a simple conversation with someone and they call me an old man — I might strike back. But that is not my intention other than to tell the person it works both ways. I am not saying we should go back to those “OLD DAYS”, but we definitely have to clean up our act. Our government should have our “BEST” interest at heart, not make it harder for those who want to succeed. Don’t you think?

          6. chris berrian says:

            Well if “all”of the politicians haden’t sold american work/factory jobs to china,honduras,mexico,tiwan,and I could go on.and then alows a vast amout of forighers mostly from our boarder in the south we probably wouldn’t have as much of a crime problem. Guns protect the young, old, weak. And protects us from forign and dementia including government overreach.

          7. Robert says:

            Maybe if people who think the federal Government should stop trying to Control our Lives, would stop advocating for it, there would be more civil discourse.

          8. Robert says:

            They have bought enough rounds for an army, and are arming more and more Federal agencies, more so then ever before. Why do you think that is?

          9. Robert says:

            You probably support Obamas new Plan to make gun owners acquire Liability Insurance and Register to bye Ammo or face a 10,000 Dollar fine. You like Marxist Government Control.

          10. gary says:

            No…He is trying to restrict the elderly who are longer mentally capable of remembering to pay their bills… Just because they have memory problems doesn’t mean they don’t recognize a danger when they see an intruder in their home….

          11. bobnstuff says:

            So you want someone who can’t handle their own a money to be able to go out and buy a gun on their own. I guess you do care about them, their money or what happens to their gun. All the NRA wants is more customers for the gun companies. If you are involved with someone who is starting to have problems you should make it a point to make sure their guns are safe. If you don’t then the government will. We lost a sweet double barrels open hammer twelve gauge that Uncle Will had because as he got old he did stuff with things and now that he’s gone we can’t find the gun as well as some other things of value to the family. Also what happens when you or another family member comes into their home and they don’t remember who you are and they shoot you as an intruder. The government is not trying to grab guns, they are trying to make the world safe for fools. If someone is starting on that down hill slide do them a favor and keep their guns safe.

          12. gary says:

            When have you ever heard of an occasion where a person who has Alzheimer shot a person who was a relative..?? The real fools are those who think the government wants to take their guns to protect them …Take time to research the facts of Socialism and how they got into power…Facts are real and only the stupid dismiss them..

          13. bobnstuff says:

            My father in law shot his son because he came home late one night and Pap thought he was an intruder. You know nothing about Alzheimer from your statement. The most likely person to shoot you is a family member or someone you know. In six years how many guns have the government taken?

          14. gary says:

            Answer to # 1 I have had a close relative who had Alzheimer’s and have had experience with four other friends of the family with that disease. #2 None because the Supreme court and several State courts won’t let the Obama government violate the 2nd amendment…

          15. bobnstuff says:

            Show me were The President said he was taking your gun away, hasn’t been said. Show me a law that has been put before congress that takes a gun away. Show the president of the NRA saying that the president said it an you will fined the truth of the matter, All the President wants is for people to stop shooting each other. Our children should not be used as target practice.

            If you have taken care of an someone with Alzheimer you would understand how they can cover-up the problem so you wouldn’t guess that they were lost in their own head. They get confused at times and they have problems remembering what happened yesterday but can tell you everything that happened fifty years ago. I had to take my Dad’s car keys from him when he got lost less then a mile from the house he had lived in for forty years. Mom had already gotten the guns out of the house at that point. I can tell more stories of family members as they slipped away but you should get the point. The mentally ill should not be armed. I think even the founding fathers would agree with that.

          16. danny kimbrel says:

            If you statement was true ,the lying POS in the White House would go after the criminals instead of the legal gun owners, but has he done one thing to stop his own people from murdering each other and innocent people in his hometown of Chiraq ? NO because he really doesn’t give a damn about either America or it’s people

          17. bobnstuff says:

            He isn’t coming for your guns, he has never said he wants your guns, not once. The people who are telling you he is coming for your guns are the ones selling guns. Find me one time he said he wanted to take your guns. You can’t because it didn’t happen. Here something to think about. Since the guns that are sold can’t by law be reported to a government data base, they can’t go after the people sell guns to the people shooting up Chicago. The same laws that protect your rights protect those gang bangers. The same laws that stop the government from taking your guns apply to the good people of Chicago.

          18. pete G says:

            If he runs a 3rd time just vote for him—-again and please shut the hell up your making people with brains sick.

          19. bobnstuff says:

            It’s those little facts that you can’t handle. Oh and last year Chicago took 68,000 guns off the streets. They had past a law that no buying or sell guns in the city but it was struck down. After all we must keep selling those guns.

          20. Robert says:

            If gun laws worked which they don’t, and there is ample proof of that. The most gun restrictive cities in the country have the highest gun crime rates. Most criminals
            do not get their guns from a rep. gun store. The laws mean nothing to criminals. Criminals will always be able to purchase guns no matter what goofy law you pass.

          21. Robert says:

            Obviously you are anti-gun and love Obama.

          22. Robert says:

            You are mistaken, every gun made has a serial number every mfg. keeps a record of who the gun was sold to. Most rep. gun stores keep records. The Federal Government can gain access if a crime was committed with that weapon.

          23. Robert says:

            Nor should they. Your chances of being shot by a government employee are more likely then being shot by a family member.

          24. pete G says:

            They better start worrying about all these crazy a$$ Muslims and Mexicans Obama is allowing to cross the border. He just approved 46,000 more Muslims to come in. He needs his a$$ arrested.

          25. Robert says:

            I don’t want the government taking any. After they take your weapon and you aren’t as strong as you were at thirty, 40, or 50 lets see how you defend yourself when some burglar kicks your front door in and beats the hell out of you and your spouse. If you think the cops are going to save you, you are mistaken. They only come after the crime. Sometimes if you can get to a phone they will come sooner, but don’t count on it.

          26. Robert says:

            Some peoples guns are being taken right now, but the Media being in the pocket of gun grabbers doesn’t always make a big deal of it.

          27. bobnstuff says:


            Of the top ten socialist countries 8 out of the have gun ownership around the 30% mark so in saying that
            socialist don’t like guns you are very wrong. You use the word but I don’t believe you know what it means. Freedom has nothing to do with socialism.

          28. homegirl says:

            And how many of those top ten socialist countries have mandatory military service? I know that Sweden, Denmark and Norway have mandatory one year service at 19 for males. That is where they learn to respect the power of a gun, they respect the weapon and its power. The USA has too many untrained, shoot from the hip devotees of weapons on the loose. A gun is just as dangerous as a car and you can’t legally drive a car without a license, why should it be different for guns.

            Many seniors give up their driving privilege when they reach a certain age and degree of infirmity, just common sense.

          29. bobnstuff says:

            The Auto wasn’t listed as a right by our founding fathers so it’s not your right to drive. That’s a BS
            line. Our founding fathers must be gods seeing everything that would happen over the next two hundred plus years. It’s only been in the last fifty years that the second amendment has been viewed to mean that the right to own a gun is sacred. Up till then they read the whole amendment as one sentence. Mandatory government service has been dropping around the world over the last ten years or so. Those
            damn socialists seem to be doing pretty well, most of them are better off then the US as far as health and wealth. I guess they don’t know that they are suppose to be unhappy.

          30. pete G says:

            Freedom has nothing to do with Socialism? You got that part right. Try being free in a Socialistic society like Russia.The Government does what ever it wants and you go along to get along, or else.

          31. bobnstuff says:

            There is a deference between Communist and Socialistic. Russia is stuck with the worst of both. I did some reading this morning and the between 6 and 8 of the happiest countries in the world are socialist as well as most of the ones on thhe most free lists. If you go check the best countries to start a business over half are socialist. In the 4 lists of the most free countries the US was only in one top ten list and in non of the happiest lists. Canada ranks in the middle all the lists. We do lead in gun ownership though.

          32. Detriotcity says:

            You are so full of hate you cannot read straight. When people were God fearing in the united States, this was a great place and really cared for one another. With liberals — it is take and do it my way because I said so. Gays and marriage — you are out of your mind. Prayers out of schools, who did you think helped make this country –Muslims? Was it not the democrats that set it up if a person is born in the US auto citizen? Gun running to Mexico for the drug cartel — but want American guns — Deal with enemies as though they were friends and treat citizens and friendly nations with disgust. Obama is the biggest racist since Carter, with Clinton a close second. He does not care for the US period and should be hung for treason.

          33. bobnstuff says:

            Boy you sure have things backward. Being made to pray to a god that you may or may not believe in isn’t freedom. Being told who you can or can’t marry isn’t freedom. It was the founding fathers that set up the US auto citizen, who by the way were not all Christians. Do you remember the guns Reagan sent to Iran, a lot more guns and he know what he was doing, unlike the gun deal gone wrong. Who was it that opened up China? Who made the arms deals with the USSR? OK for the republicans to make deals with our enemies. The only thing that is racist about Obama is the fact he is half black. You are full of words but you haven’t a clue as to what the truth is. Open your eyes a see what you have been sold by the haters in the world. Just so you know Christ was a liberal. The early settlers where socialists in their actions and if you read the Declaration of Independence it has thing in it that are socialist. You are not a Christian nation and never was.

          34. bobnstuff says:

            Boy you sure have things backward. Being made to pray to a god that you may or may not believe in isn’t freedom. Being told who you can or can’t marry isn’t freedom. It was the founding fathers that set up the US auto citizen, who by the way were not all Christians. Do you remember the guns Reagan sent to Iran, a lot more guns and he know what he was doing, unlike the gun deal gone wrong. Who was it that opened up China? Who made the arms deals with the USSR? OK for the republicans to make deals with our enemies. The only thing that is racist about Obama is the fact he is half black. You are full of words but you haven’t a clue as to what the truth is. Open your eyes a see what you have been sold by the haters in the world. Just so you know Christ was a liberal. The early settlers where socialists in their actions and if you read the Declaration of Independence it has thing in it that are socialist. You are not a Christian nation and never was.

          35. Detriotcity says:

            Bob, you are just like I used to be then I grew up. Wake up and smell the roses. Obama and the whole of the democrat organization has one thing in mind — total domination of the American people with a socialist tint. They have totally forgotten what it took to build this country with the help of God. You have taken God out of everything. Do you think that this country can still be #1 if you succeed? If you do I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong. If you don’t believe in the almighty, no answer will please you. If you do believe in God — no answer is necessary. When wrong is considered — right, and right is considered — wrong. Both you and I have a problem.

          36. bobnstuff says:

            You believe something that isn’t true. Removing public prayer from the schools is not removing religion. The morning prayer was removed fifty years ago in most schools. That was a good thing since it was not real prayer but just saying words with no heart behind it. If you don’t have the holly spirit in you, you can say words all day long and it is of no use and if you have it you can’t be stopped by any man. You are hung up on labels, socialist is one of them. If you are a Christian then you understand the idea of doing things for the common good, that’s socialist. The giving you the freedom to choose is not what I would call domination. You can choose who to marry, a women can make chooses about her own body. You can choose not to pray. Isn’t that what freedom is about. God gave us free will, so we can choose to do the right thing. The government should do the job of creating a better country and leave matters of faith alone. If you believe that government can stop Gods will you don’t have much faith in his power. We must honor God and show love to all people.

          37. Detriotcity says:

            Love the person, hate the sin. I would agree with you on that point.

          38. pete G says:

            Some people just can’t put it all together gary. I couldn’t agree with you more. This BS has nothing to do with protecting anyone.

          39. Robert says:

            Just the Corrupt Politicians.

          40. pete G says:

            You must be young or mental illness runs in your family. I think the Government should watch someone like you, you sound ridiculous and you don’t know a damn thing about old people. There’s a hell of allot of difference between someone with full blown Alzheimer’s and someone just getting old. To agree with this insane idea makes me laugh.

          41. bobnstuff says:

            I watch my Dad die of Alzheimer’s at age 87, I took care of him and my Mom and was there for them till the last breath. My wife worked in a nursing home. Bin there done that. It’s you that doesn’t want to face the fact that at a point you must do things for their own good.

          42. Robert says:

            So do it. Don’t get the government involved.

          43. Detriotcity says:

            I don’t think you are that stupid to believe that Obama gives two hoots about the safety and well being of America — do you? If you do I got a couple of bridges I would like to sell — any interest?

          44. bobnstuff says:

            So what makes you think he doesn’t? He has tried to get health care to everyone, tried to keep the air clean and the water drinkable. He has kept us out of new wars and the economy is growing. Just what has he done but try to make the country a better place to live? Don’t hand me any of the socialist/ communist crap. Name actions he has done. The other nations of the world work with us, we have new markets opening up for our products. Just what has he done? Never has a president had to try to do his job in a worse environment of hate and distrust. He is disrespected like no other president by the media and the other party. The right started bad mouthing him before he even got on the job and haven’t let up since. There has been more money wasted, tax money, trying to make
            him look bad and find wrong doing that just isn’t there. People would rather believe the lies and half truths of the shock jocks on the radio who make their living scaring you then believe that the
            president is trying to do his job as best he can. The right never gave him a chance. The problem is that the office of president has been damaged as well as the worlds view of our country. It’s not the president that has done the damage but the ongress and the media which has the world worrying about trusting our government to honor
            our commitments. As I say show me actions that he has done that would lead you to believe that he hates the country, facts not thing you have been made to believe with out proof.

          45. Detriotcity says:

            You know deep down inside where no one likes to think about — Obama is like a kid on a bicycle for the first time. Does not want to listen to the adult who knows how to teach him to ride that bike. He will do it on his own. What did Obama grow up learning? Communism! That is all he knows. So he thinks that is the way to go. He thinks that just because he says it — it will be so. Look at the problems he had with Obamacare, What a mess. Now the people are paying more than they were before. It will only get worse. The first thing he did was get rid of England as a friend by sending back a bust of Churchill. Allowing marriage of Gays shows he does not know what he is doing. Marriage is between a man and woman. God says so and Obama can not trump God. Try to shove the biggest hoax ever down the throat of the American people about global warming — it is not so just because Obama says its so. Scientists that believe different on global warming are saying so and they are the vast majority. You may say that “he is trying. We should not fault him for trying.” Every thing the man touches turns to shit and he blames someone else — like Congress. It is his responsibility and oath to follow the Constitution and he has not done that, So don’t talk the race card to me — he was not even a good community organizer, and he sure is not a good president of the US. Wake up!!!!

          46. bobnstuff says:

            Don’t believe everything you hear from the right about Obamacare. It has slowed the growth for the cost of health care. Also He didn’t write the law and it’s not the one he asked for. Over 40% of the law was changed in the writing. These changes were made to make the republicans happy although they shouldn’t have bothered. Our relations with England are very close and Obama has done a pretty good job of bonding with their leader. You don’t like the way he runs the government. I guess you didn’t like the way GW ran it either since they are using the same tools to do the job. Every president in history has used EO’s to run the country. Every president has chosen what laws a to enforce and how to enforce them. That’s what the presidents job is. You say he grow up as a communist which is not true. As far as global warming goes, over 90% of the scientists say its true and even if it isn’t the things that need to be done still make the earth a better place to live. Clean air is a good thing, Taking better care of the planet is wise. Not wasting all of our coal and oil in 50 or 100 years makes sence to me. As far as Gays getting married. I don’t understand your problem. Wasn’t it Jesus that said he who is without sin cast the first stone. There are a lot of more important things to get upset about. Jesus said to feed the poor, to take care of the sick and to love each other. Once you have tended to these things then you can think about Gay marriage.

          47. danny kimbrel says:

            If you learn one more thing in your life, let it be this, NO citizen owns an assault weapon. Assault weapons fire full automatic. however the modern sporting weapon looks like a machine gun but it only fires one bullet every time the trigger is squeezed. And he hasn’t taken our guns, but he would like to, it would make it easier for him to try to be King which he aspires.

          48. podunk1 says:

            Let’s see… Fast & Furious with many dead Mexicans as a result under his direct command. Direct monopolistic actions to restrict ammo supply to citizens. US lead production SHUT DOWN by Obama & EPA. Endless acts to restrict, prevent, and obstruct citizen rights to bear arms. Highly organized open opposition to Constitutional authority defines insurrection and revolt from a government which one owes allegiance defines rebellion (Webster). Both are acts of treason!
            The acts of Erick the be-Holder of Obama injustice are countless!

          49. bobnstuff says:

            Name one law passed in the last 6 years that took a gun away or a gun right away from you, you can’t.

          50. podunk1 says:

            Name a day in the past 6 years that the Obombster hasn’t been all out attacking Amendment 2… really everything about the Constitution! Can you name a day Obliterator hasn’t been fomenting racial, religious, ethnic, sexual, political, and every other imaginable chaos and hatred amongst citizens?

            Ammo prices have skyrocketed! We no longer produce any lead – jobs, technology, and infrastructure gone. When the Maoist progressives finally tell the RINO and the sharia/Obama progressives they don’t need them any more… whatever is left will be Chinese.

          51. bobnstuff says:

            There hasn’t been a day that the President has attacked the second amendment. He has done nothing but try to protect people from gun valance. Don’t blame the president for things Congress has done. If the congress would pass bills instead of holding hearings maybe our roads would get fixed. The government has nothing to do with Ammo prices, that you can blame on the nuts that think they need 10,000 rounds on hand for the zombie that are coming. You like to blame the President for everything that has gone wrong in your world, maybe you should look at yourself in stead.

          52. Robert says:

            You must not read newspapers or watch the news. You have swallowed the Kool-Aid of the Progressive Democrats and RINOS. If you think Socialist countries have so much Freedom why don’t you live there?

          53. Robert says:

            You want to see someone he has fooled, look in the mirror.

          54. bobnstuff says:

            Robert, I change you to find a quote from the President that says he want to take the guns from law abiding people. I’ve been looking for six months and have found nothing he has said that would take your gun.

            Now do you think Canada is less free then us? Did you look at the list?

            I am a gun owner and have been since I was twelve. There is a good chance that I’m a better shoot then you, You can cover my group with a half dollar.

            What I’m not is a fool. I know that by owning a gun I have increased my chance of being shoot by 6 times. I also know that a AK 47 is not the gun you want in your hand if someone is breaking into your house.

            If you check the gun laws you will find
            that they can’t us computers for the gun data and that only about 25% of guns can be traced.

            I can do the math and know that even if the government wanted to take our guns they couldn’t do it, they don’t have the man power.

            I have spent to much time with people at the end of life to believe that arming them is not a safe move for them or anyone else.

            I also know that the crime rate is dropping at the same time as gun ownership is dropping. I know that
            most people who break into houses do it unarmed, they get more time if they are caught with a gun while doing it.

            I’m a numbers guy and I look at then numbers here and find most of the arguments that the NRA put out are bunk. I read a lot and when someone says something I don’t believe I heck Facts.

            If you want to know what the president said go to
            Everything the president says is there.

            If you want to know what a law says that is in congress got to
            it’s a good place to see what the truth is.

            So no I don’t drink Cool Aid. I live in the real world and not the fantastic one that many on the far right
            live in. I don’t fear the government, I should fear a government that can’t even put together a web sight to sell insurance?

          55. Robert says:

            Are you insane? They just Ordered Thousands of rounds of new Hollow Point Ammo. After the Thousands of Rounds they took delivery of last year. You can expect Ammo Prices to continue to rise, soon nobody will be able to afford ammo and that includes poor people in bad neighborhoods that need to be able to protect themselves from Illegal Drug Dealers.

          56. bobnstuff says:

            Here is my facts, where are yours? Isn’t it a wonder how facts can be twisted around to try to make the government look bad. Also you do know that orders that big would be looked at by congress and the house is controlled by republicans. Remember that if Fox says it there is a 50% likelihood that it is false.

          57. Robert says:

            The Obama Administration is pushing for 2 more laws that would Require a Gun Owner to acquire Liability Insurance and Register to bye Ammo or pay a 10,000 fine if you don’t comply. Not only do they want to Control guns but they want to take them from American Citizens, Lets see what you do when they come for yours.

          58. bobnstuff says:

            I will ask you something easy, give me a link to the White House asking for this. Show me were you got your information from. It should be easy.

          59. Robert says:

            The NRA. At least they believe in our gun rights you don’t.

          60. bobnstuff says:

            No link I see. The NRA believes in selling guns. They are lying to you. Go find a link with a quoit from someone in the White House. You can’t, which makes you a fool to believe something that is easy to check but you are to stupid and lazy to check. You my friend are a sucker or at least being play for one. I own guns, I shoot, my family shoot, my brother builds guns. I believe that some people shouldn’t have guns and I have no problem with my government knowing I have guns, I believe that responsible gun owners have a right, but I would like my gun back if it is stolen and I take responsibility for my guns. The NRA once was a good organization and still does a lot of good things, My brother is a life time member but even he thinks they need to get out of politics.

          61. Robert says:

            If the NRA got out of politics, your guns would already be gone. Your not much of a gun owner if you do not understand that Obama wants your guns. You will be saying that when they come to get your guns. As far as the NRA is concerned I doubt you were ever a member. You care more about the Progressive Democrat and RINO agenda then you do your own rights.

          62. bobnstuff says:

            You still have given no proof of your claim, no link, no quote, nothing. This means you have nothing other then lies. You don’t even know what a progressive is. You can look it up but you won’t because you are to lazy.

          63. pete G says:

            What the hell are you talking about? We already have laws that keep mentally ill and criminals from purchasing guns. I bought a rifle 2 years ago and i had to wait 21 days to pick it up. He had the clip capacity cut from 15 to 10 why? If 3 people inter my house without permission i want all the damn bullet capacity i need. As sneaky as this fool has been and you still trust him, why?

          64. bobnstuff says:

            So you think a rifle is going to do you any good in side your house, you are a fool. You know nothing about guns. If you need 15 rounds for three people you shouldn’t even have a gun. Rifles stink in close quarters’ and one shot kills. Get a sawed of shot gun if you think it would do you any good. The law for the mentally ill is a mess, check it out if you don’t believe me.

          65. Bonnie68 says:

            I just looked it up, there are not federal laws requiring states to report to the FBI database mental health issues that would keep a resident from getting a gun. Plus state mental reporting varies by state.

            The Lafayette shooter was court ordered to a mental health facility in 2008. Plus there was a protective order out against him. Both should have kept him from getting a gun. But that information was in Georgia, not the FBI national database. The Lafayette shooting is in Louisiana.

            Georgia, the state where Houser was committed, does have strong mental
            health reporting laws, Freilich said. However, the implementation of the
            law has been weak. He said Georgia has reported only about 8,000 mental
            health records to the FBI database. By comparison, Virginia, a state
            with a smaller population, has reported more than 224,000 mental health
            records — more than 25 times as many.

            So as everyone screams to “.leave my 2nd amendment rights alone” but wonder how these nuts are getting a gun. That is the reason.

            Do we need different reporting laws for the states for sending their cases into the feds. That might help. But all you gun rights people will probably scream and the NRA will start screaming loudly. So I just told you what I found out the problem is through the research I just did. You can find it to if you don’t believe me, just look.

          66. Robert says:

            Criminals will always be able to purchase guns no matter what.

          67. Robert says:

            Apparently you are very trusting of the federal government and you shouldn’t be.

          68. Bonnie68 says:

            I trust the government to either screw me or help me. It depends on who is in and where I am at. I do not believe that the government is a bad thing for the most part. It protects our rights when states want to cut them or ignore them. It is good to have the feds when there is a disaster, because the states can’t afford to handle those problems. I also believe that there is a portion of our society that makes a mountain out of a mole hill depending what the situation is. For instance when they were killing doctors who performed abortions and destroying clinics. It is okay to kill doctors but not okay to abort a non viable fetus. I do believe the gun debate is way out of proportion, and the NRA just stokes people to keep them riled up. I think it is wrong the NFL, NHL and PGA, IKEA, Green Bay Packersand the NRA are tax-exempt, non-profit companies. Also tax exempt is the US Polo Association, and American Bureau of Shipping (known as ABS). Really this is ridiculous! our taxes would go down if these companies would pay their fair share.

          69. Robert says:

            Spoken like a True Socialist Democrat. You seem to believe that The Federal Government should just tax
            the hell out of every body who disagrees with it. Show me your proof that the Companies you mentioned do not pay their fare share. What’s your expertise in Taxing Companies? Do you want to drive more business out of this country? You should move to a Socialist country and see how your standard of living suffers. You sound like a Brainwashed Marxist.

          70. Bonnie68 says:

            No I don’t believe we should just tax the hell out of everybody. That is a ridiculous statement. No democrat believes that. We have wealthy people paying a lower percentage of tax than their employees because they have different means of structuring their income to avoid paying taxes. Businesses have so many deduction that they pay few taxes. The companies that I mentioned above are TAX-EXEMPT which means they pay no tax, and anything they purchase for their company they do not pay tax on either. The proof that the above companies do not pay taxes is in their status as tax exempt. I am not brainwashed, I just care more about the 98% of the population than the upper 2%. When you have a republican Congress that makes their first piece of business to eliminate the estate tax on all estates over $5 million, increase defense spending, cut the education budget, and cut the food stamp program I have a problem with that. But you see if they are going to give cuts to the wealthy and increase spending to defense they have to take that money from someplace. The republicans always choose to cut the spending in welfare, education, food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. They don’t bother to take the money from the trillions of dollars we spend every year in subsidies to big companies that are making huge profits. See there is the difference between a democrat and a republican.

          71. Robert says:

            They should cut their reckless spending. Provide Jobs instead of welfare. You sound like a Marxist, you like Obama must use the same Saul Alinsky playbook. By the way I don’t support Corporate Welfare as do the Progressive Democrats and Rinos as they just did by reauthorizing the Import Export bank.

          72. Robert says:

            That’s only the beginning. The ultimate goal is to do away with private gun ownership period. Every Dictator in the world has done the same thing. When that happens only Criminals and the government will have guns. We are being misled by Marxists. Sounds like the people who ran Nazi Germany.

          73. Bonnie68 says:

            There is really no reason to reply because there is nothing that can be said. Enjoy. Have a great day.

        3. Miriam Farnum says:

          He has violated is oath since he even took it. He spits on the Constitution. He’s nothing but a POS America hater.

        4. pete G says:

          gary, In his left pocket.

      2. Ronney says:

        And your so right, why can’t we be lucky enough for someone to assassinate this fucking asshole, so whoever voted for him can start an up rising, and real Americans can clean house.

        1. podunk1 says:

          Your statement presents critical thoughts regarding an assassinator assassinating another assassinator who is hell bent on assassinating you, me, and the USA! Because PC Progressives can’t call their president a traitor, assassinator, or extremist without exposing their plans to overthrow the Constitution and government, they’ll have to call the assassinator of the assassin traitor an extremist alongside of demonic muslim terrorists who can’t be called what they are. Reality says they’d eulogize the Obamster as best ever and overthrow the Second Amendment in his honor.

        2. homegirl says:

          You should have a short visit from the Secret Service for that statement.

    4. Upaces says:

      HE knows that it is the older people who KNOW what this country is supposed to be — you know…the ones who fought:
      WWII, Gulf War, Viet Nam (sp?)…etc.

      1. Detriotcity says:

        Death squads are coming! Maybe not in person and maybe so. With Obamacare, the seniors will get medical procedures only if it advances the democrat agenda. Even if persons over 60 can afford medical, the government death squads will not allow it.

        I heard that Obama plans to put into place a call-up of 18 -25 year old citizens, (men and women) to military service under the guise of preparing an invasion of the middle east to fight ISIS. The true purpose being to indoctrinate the young military force in his ultimate plan for America. Has anyone heard this and if so please reply?

        1. cool breeze says:

          18-25 YEAR OLDS; hell, all team obama has to do is stage up a supply depot and offer free doritos and pepsi. He’ll have more pot heads and stoners to build 2 armies. But they’ll be wasted. wooooooowwwww maaaaaaan

        2. homegirl says:

          You heard-where?

          1. Detriotcity says:

            A Major in the US Army.

          2. homegirl says:

            Attached to what planning and undercover unit? Lots of Majors in the U S Army, how was this particular Major qualified to know and divulge this information. And certainly divulging it is treason, if its true.

          3. Detriotcity says:

            Surprises me that you as a democrat and socialist junky could even recognize an act of treason if you saw one. That my dear girl is absolute and not any of your business who told me. How many babies did you help kill today? How many seniors did you keep from getting their meds today? How many laws did your precious Obama break today? Did you laugh when you heard about the police officer in TN being murdered today? How many gays are living in your household — oops, not supposed to say that or ask that or call it what it is that. Sorry we are fed up with you and your kind. So keep speaking your piece while you can. Obama will not let it happen much longer.

          4. homegirl says:

            OMG! More of the same old Tea Party brainwashing spewed forth, once again.!

            “So keep speaking your piece while you can. Obama will not let it happen much longer.” Make up your mind, the popular mantra on this site is that Obama is going to round up the Tea Party followers and place them in FEMA camps, now you reveal the real target is liberals, democrats and progressives. Do you really not see the error in your thinking?

          5. Detriotcity says:

            Was my last post right on target or what? You used the race card didn’t you? Shame on you. I knew that it would happen. Just a matter of time. ONE MORE TIME — IT IS NOT HATE OF THE COLOR OF OBAMA’S SKIN IT IS HIS POLICIES THAT WE HATE. THEY ARE WRONG FOR AMERICA — JUST SAYING!

          6. homegirl says:

            Where and how did I use the “race card?” Show me!

          7. homegirl says:

            “That my dear girl is absolute and not any of your business who told me.” Because it never happened or the information (?) was divulged to you by a person who “had heard it from a reliable source.” Straight from the Old White Guys Network.

    5. pete G says:

      Believe me it’s not them it’s him. When have you ever heard a President bring up gun control as much as this freak.

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