Fox Business drops Paul, Fiorina from main debate stage

by Lisa Hagen | The Hill
January 12, 2016

Republican presidential candidates Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina have been demoted to Thursday’s undercard debate, while Ohio Gov. John Kasich maintains a spot on this week’s main stage.

That will shrink the main stage from nine to seven candidates about two weeks ahead of when the first votes are cast. On the main debate stage will be: GOP front-runner Donald Trump, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Kasich and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

The lineup for Thursday’s GOP debate in North Charleston, S.C. was unveiled on “Lou Dobbs Tonight.” The network didn’t inform candidates ahead of time about which polls would be used.

53 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • leithel1 says:

    Fox Business News owe Paul and Fiorina 2 free hours of air time. Who let them decide who I should vote for?

  • Franie says:

    Fiorina and Paul are unfairly being censured from the main stage. If anything, Jeb Bush and Kasich ought to have been booted. The GOP is finagling to get Jeb Bush as the nominee. How do you go from a rating of 2 to 10 overnight. I shutter to think what the finagled polling figures next week will reflect. Jeb neck-in-neck with Trump??

  • American Voter says:


  • Seedman says:

    Still four too many.

  • marlene.langert says:

    I am glad they dropped Fiorina and Paul, but they should have also dropped Kasich, Bush, and Christi. Why not get down to the real business?

  • Dave N. says:

    This race is really down to 3 people (Trump, Crus, Rubio) and maybe Christie with an outside chance by way of personality if he can ever get any traction, the rest are done whether they know it or not.
    Rand Paul is actually a very interesting candidate but has been whining constantly about how he has been treated or how the debates have played out, we don’t need any crybaby’s . Time for him to go back to his regular job.
    Bush doesn’t have a chance because he’s the third Bush and no one wants to go there whether his policies are good, bad, or indifferent.
    Kasich has a personality that is just annoying and people just won’t support him.
    Carson is a good man with an honest heart and some real integrity, he just doesn’t have what it takes, glad he ran so there was someone on the stage the others could be compared to.
    Personally I have been checking Trumps previous positions, current rhetoric in his speeches, and some of his current positions that he has put in print. He’s anything but consistent and is left leaning or worse on most issues, I’ll assume that will catch up with him before this is over. He is entertaining but very caustic and a bit of a whiner at times which will also hurt him when people go to the polls.
    That’s my take for today, maybe we’ll get some surprises in the next debate that will shake things up, but I rather doubt it.

  • KDC says:

    Aw, poor Rand Paul is going to boycott and not debate on the earlier session. Well, if he was as smart as he thinks he is, he’d drop out. Don’t get me wrong, he was one candidate I was rallying for, but his endorsemrnt for GMO foods leads me to believe he was bought by the big corporations like Monsanto. So, with that, he is NOT on the side of the people. GMO foods are poison and most countries have the sense to reject them. Not BIG government in America. They’re too interested in the almighty dollar instead of the health of the people.

    1. bobnstuff says:

      Ever food you eat is a GMO, It’s done differently today but we have been playing with genes in foods for centuries. Have you ever eaten a tomato. one of the modified food around. Have you ever heard of Gregor Mendel. The real problem with GMO’s is Monsanto, these guys play hard ball when it comes to growing from their seed. You have to buy it from them, you can’t just use the seeds from last years crop. The only thing the farmers can do is question the safety of the crop if they don’t want to pay Monsento’s price. As far a safety goes, are you sick, dying or dead? 80% of what you eat is GMO.

  • YeahBut says:

    Inwouldve dropped jeb and christie first. Carly should be in it–she isnthe inly one who could go after hillary for women’s issues.

    1. KDC says:

      But, there really aren’t any women’s issues. I’m glad she’s on the back burner. Carly Fiorina talks a good game for the electorate of America, but, in reality, she is another neo-conservative player who belongs more to the noxious left than to the old Constitutional right. In short a RINO.

      1. GQ4U says:

        Who is the constitutional candidate you support?

  • GQ4U says:

    In multiple national polls including CNN, CBS, Fox, Marist … Rand Paul is in 5th or 6th place and ahead of Bush, Christie, Kasich, and Fiorina. Here goes the media trying to pick the next POTUS. They even allowed two candidates who are constitutionally ineligible to be president into the debate. Outrageous!!!

  • GQ4U says:

    Cruz & Rubio are not Natural Born Citizens (NBC) so neither one is eligible to be POTUS. If elected they would serve unconstitutionally just like Barry Hussein Obama.

    1. Art The Fart says:

      Osama Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen either, so what is the difference between him and anyone else running for the Presidency?

      1. Wayne Thorson says:

        Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is part of the U.S. Your idle Bill O’reilly on Fox news acknowledges that. O’reilly said his birth was posted in two newspapers in Hawaii at that time. When are you far far right Republicans going to give it a rest.

        1. KDC says:

          First off, O’Reilly wouldn’t admit anything if he knew it. And we all know the documents were falsified. It’s just that no one would touch disqualifying a first, black usurper. Oh, I mean ” president”.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            How do we know Teds documents are not false?His father supported Castro so Ted must be a Canadian Communist. While we are on the subject why won’t Trump release his high school records. Even if the birthers were right Obama would be as qualified as Cruz so either Cruz can’t be president or Obama who was elected twice is not a usurper.

          2. Gail Soldato says:

            I saw the “original” of his birth certificate stating born in Kenya, before it was even a country. Unfortunately, it was on my old computer that hard drive crashed and died on. Maybe you need to look at Odumbo’s kill list on line. So many people had accidents and died.

          3. marlene.langert says:

            You are correct, but these guys would not believe it if they saw it. I believe it. Also, on the birth certificate from Hawaii, thefor m wasonenotu sed when he was born. The hospital had a different name when he was born, and several other things.

          4. bobnstuff says:

            I had pictures of big foot and UFO’s on may old computer. There is also an engine that runs on water but the government is keeping from us. There is a name for all my stuff and yours, it’s Myth.

          5. Wayne Thorson says:

            When you say we all know the documents were falsified. You mean you and all you far far right T-party friends that believe this because you want to believe this and no other reason. It makes common sense if Obama’s birth was published in two newspapers in Hawaii way back when he was born that there shouldn’t be any dispute it is true. I know this isn’t enough proof for you cause you don’t want to believe it and no other reason.

          6. KDC says:

            Hey, Wayne, you’ve been wearing that hat too long! 😉

          7. Wayne Thorson says:

            I would bet 10 to 1 that I am right and you have your head where the sun doesn’t shine.

      2. KDC says:

        He got in illegally and under the radar with false documents…. You know that!

      3. GQ4U says:

        “Osama Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen” — True.

        What’s the difference? Nothing — Barry is a criminal usurper in the White House and if elected Cruz or Rubio will be criminals to.
        Hopefully the difference will be us preventing another unconstitutional POTUS. The Republic is at stake.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          Cruz and Rubio can be war criminals just like Bush and Cheney. The whole republican field is running to see who can be the biggest international criminal. Mr. Paul is most likely the most honest of the group and the only one who seems to understand international laws.

          1. GQ4U says:

            That’s true and regarding Paul, he would govern by the US Constitution which prevents us from engaging in wanton wars to spread ideology. Wars are to protect the USA not to “spread democracy” or to build nations according to our desires. All the other candidates seem to love spilling blood. The ‘Military Industrial Complex’ is a dangerous beast that threatens the Republic.

  • GQ4U says:

    Rand Paul out polls Christie & Kasich so who’s rigging our next election?

    1. Savannah Belle says:

      I agree. Only I would have left Bush and Kasich out. Neither has a chance. But there goes the “establishment ” again telling us who to vote for and that is why The Donald is winning and will win. Go Donsld.

      1. GQ4U says:

        It not about who has a chance — its about allowing the people to hear what every candidates positions are so we can decide who does or does not have a chance. FOX and the other media elites are working with the establishment to control the outcome.

        Donald??? He gets more press time than all the other candidates combined. The MSM loves him because he is outrageous and gives them great ‘sound-bytes’ but he is a narcissist like Obama and he is incapable of governing by the US Constitution.

        1. marlene.langert says:

          You might as well give up on the Rand Paul thing. First of all, there are no more sovereign nations in Europe since they formed the EU. They messed up everything then. It is a global world now, Paul cannot seem to face it and neither can you. His numbers are very low, no one much wants him.Yes, Donald does get the most air time because he is the most interesting and entertaining.Many of us like Donald. I also like Carson, and Cruz. I wish they had dropped Bush and Kasich. THey are each nothing. esp Bush. How could anyone vote for someone who likes Common Core for our kids?

          HOw could anyone vote for someone who wants our southern boarder open?

          1. GQ4U says:

            I will not give up on a candidate who desires to restore our government to constitutional law.

            There are 194 nations on the Earth and we have a military presence in over 150 of them. What would you think if China or Russia decided to send armed troops to the USA to dictate our policies?

            Trump is a blowhard pretender, and Cruz is ineligible. Carson seems okay but he is still a war hawk and believes forcing people to get vaccinations is not a violation of our liberty as guaranteed by the constitution.

            I’m not a fan of Bush, Kasich,or Christi, plus Rubio, who is also ineligible. However i wouldn’t ban them from any debates because its about allowing the people to hear what every candidates positions are so we can choose who believe is best for our nation.

            I refuse to accept the NWO because it will eventually cost us our Constitutional Republic and the last bastion of Freedom will disappear.

            Common Core is wrong and needs to be banned.

            Which candidate are you referring to that wants our southern border open?

          2. marlene.langert says:

            Bush wants iyur southern border open and he is for COmmon COre. I want my younger grandchildren to learn the things they will need to flourish in this world, not something that will hold them back like common core. You have every right to vote for whomever you want. That is one of the great things about our country. However, if your vote is for someone who does not stand a chance, you are throwing away your vote.

    2. KDC says:

      The Bohemian Grove elites.

  • Wayne Thorson says:

    It’s going to be fun to watch. They will all be talking about how tough they will be bombing the Middle East. The people there all ready view us as terrorists. All the ones we think of as terrorists are hiding out where all the citizens are hanging out at. Who knows how many civilians we will kill if one these Republican candidates get their way. Trumps exact words were he was going to bomb the shit out of them.

    1. Art The Fart says:

      Yup, it is about time!

      1. GQ4U says:

        You’ve been drinking the war hawks kool-aid. The military industrial complex is more of a threat to our Constitutional Republic than foreign terrorists.

      2. marlene.langert says:

        I loved farty Arty, the grandpa in that parenting movie (Billy Crystal)

        1. marlene.langert says:

          “Parental Guidance”( just got thru my stuffed with info brain.!)

    2. GQ4U says:

      Your right. Its unfortunate Rand Paul isn’t the front runner.

      1. KDC says:

        Not in my book!

        1. GQ4U says:

          You need to get a history book and get rid of your book of fantasies.

          Rand 2016 — the only hope for restoring America.

      2. marlene.langert says:

        I see you are talking to yourself! Rand Paul is a nothing whose dream of the USA staying over here by ourselves has been impossible for many,many years.

        1. GQ4U says:

          Sorry but you have been mislead by lies from talking heads on TV. They always portray Paul as an isolationist but he is not. He is a non-interventionist who respects the sovereignty of foreign governments and the self determination of their nation. You should take the time to listen to what Paul says about his policies and stop listening to lying fools like Chris Matthews or Shawn Hannity. If you did, then you would discover that Rand’s constitutional principals for governing strongly reflect those of George Washington. So if the policies of George Washington was a nothing then I guess Rand Paul is the same kind of nothing.

          Which liberty stealing candidate do you support? Which war hawk should shed our boys blood?
          Who do want to increase spying on US citizens?
          Who should guide the bankrupting of America?

          Every candidates except Rand will grow government, increase spending, start wars, decrease jobs, continue the Federal Reserve, IRS, NSA, TSA, DEA, EPA and…
          We can’t survive the same old tactics.

          Paul threatens the establishment and they want him silenced so people like you won’t hear the truth and turn on them. They distract us with wars & illegal immigration while the country crumbles under its own weight because we are no longer governed by our Constitution.

          Have a nice day.

          Rand Paul 2016!!!

          1. I Seigel says:

            “Which war hawk should shed our boys blood?”

            And we should also be curious about what the candidates’ military experience is? It’s easy to be a war hawk when you’ve never pulled a trigger on a battlefield, or led troops who have died under your command.

            It’s also to fun to picture yourself as Jack Bauer playing the CIC, but real life is a little messier.

          2. GQ4U says:

            General/President Eisenhower warned us about the dangers of the ‘Military industrial Complex’ as did General/President George Washington who stated we should not have a “Standing Army” because it would be a threat to the Republic.

          3. I Seigel says:

            I think we are in agreement. This time.

    3. American Voter says:


      1. Wayne Thorson says:

        Right and wrong.

    4. Franie says:

      Wayne, you’re so off course. The one’s “we think of as terrorists are hiding out” HERE. Don’t know if it’s FACT or FICTION, but I came across an article stating Obama is trying to rid the Armed Forces of Christians and replace them with these young Muslim refugees invading our country by Obama’s invitation. I just heard on the radio that obama’s last year in office is going to make our heads spin with the shear volume of executive orders he’s getting ready to declare!!


      1. Wayne Thorson says:

        It’s obvious just who you have been listening to. You have to have more common sense than that to believe Obama is trying to rid the Armed Forces of Christians. I bet you believe that Obama is gay also and that he has a boyfriend. His children are adopted and not his. He wasn’t born in Hawaii. Those Republicans don’t care what lie they speak as long as people like you don’t even question the truth of the matter. You believe these lies because you want to believe them. If you would only stop and think about it and use a little common sense you would realize this.

        1. Franie says:

          What’s obvious Wayne, is your fawning all over this “slithery tongued” marvel of a failure in the White House.

          You make sure you hang on to every word he says, but, I want you to wake-up and see what his actions are in reference to those words.

          You cannot trust Obama in ANYTHING he says, for he turns around and DOES the exact opposite!!! I’m not kidding. Too many people have been snookered by this fraud who is not even qualified to be a president. He has thrown the american public under the bus every chance he gets. He even came out very early in his first term and said, “if it comes down to to it, he will always side with the Muslims.”

          I wish I could burst that bubble you live in. I don’t have to hear what he says, for what I can see he has done speaks volumes to his honesty, character, loyalty to Americans, and the oath to protect us, broken, time after time. Obama is treason personified!!!

          1. Wayne Thorson says:

            Frannie, Are you a Trump supporter?

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