House investigation: Planned Parenthood broke federal law in fetal body parts trafficking

by Bradford Richardson
June 2, 2016

The House Select Investigative Panel on Infant Lives is calling for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to investigate whether several Planned Parenthood abortion clinics violated federal privacy law.

The Panel released new evidence Wednesday purportedly showing abortion clinics disclosing confidential medical information about patients in order to facilitate the sale of fetal body parts to procurement firm StemExpress.

Panel Chairwoman Marsha Blackburn sent a letter to HHS on Wednesday asking the agency to review the evidence and determine whether the Health Insurance Portability Accountability Act was violated.

“The key to understanding the HIPAA and consent violations that we’ve referred to HHS is that there’s a business contract between StemExpress and the abortion clinics under which both sides make a profit from the baby body parts inside the young woman’s womb,” Ms. Blackburn said in the letter.

167 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • Wanda says:

    AD Roberts… I have a question for you. What is real service?

  • Gail says:

    The Democrates want this investigation to stop ,What people have forgotten is something horrible is done with these baby parts . This goes back over 20 yrs look it up. French cosmetics especially face makeup have unborn fetus in it . They are carried over seas in big totes . You can find these totes on the shipping docks of America . So ladies if you buy this you are wearing a little human on your face . Merle Norman and Mary Kay And Avon were the only ones that didn’t have them back then .

  • Kanawah says:

    More insane far right wing elephant crap.
    Planned Parent Hood did not engage in anything illegal. The fee they received covered the processing and transportation of the tissue.

    This is just another right wing attack on essential health care services.

    1. Wanda says:

      The Politically Corrupt crap is a lie. Planned Parenthood is certainly NOT essential health care services. They provide nothing that is actually worthwhile that cannot be provided by more reputable sources, organizations. What Planned Parenthood is actually about is the promotion of population control. Check out the founder… Margaret Sanger and see what she stood for and promoted. She was also a racist.

  • democrat CockRoach says:

    Congress just barely,, barely approved Stem Cell research not too long ago and so of course the democrat idiots think they can get into trafficking baby parts.

  • keepyourpower says:

    They will not do anything as long as Obama or Hillary are in charge.

  • ADRoberts says:

    Any comment from the DONALD? Of course not. He will continue to SUPPORT them and pretend that he is PROLIFE.
    If he were to address their illegal activity, he would have trouble explaining his claim that they “do good”.

    1. democrat CockRoach says:

      Don’t ask him to commit suicide at the democrat communists hands. He has plenty enough of their corruption to deal with and you can only handle so much of their lying commie press WHINING and dismantling him.

      1. ADRoberts says:

        Deflection and lies. Just like Trump.
        If you can’t win a discussion accuse the opponent of being a communist or marxist, or a Clinton supporter. Never admit that your candidate STINKS in so many ways.
        THAT is whining.

    2. democrat CockRoach says:

      And what did Mitt and Jebbie do about it?

      1. ADRoberts says:

        Just like all good RINOs, NOTHING.

  • robert sanders says:

    people can take control of this kind of injustice if they have the guts

    1. Wanda says:

      Many of us have stood against this many years. Too many have bought into Politically Correct Thinking. One is “accept anything and everything” even if you disagree with it. That way you end up standing for nothing and are set up for a Dictator Ruler.

      1. robert sanders says:

        standing around does not get the job done.

        1. Wanda says:

          Have you ever heard of standing and fighting? How about grass roots? How about political activist in support of what is good, moral, right? Refusing to be silenced or to just accept anything and everything? Refusing to be silenced concerning faith in Jesus Christ and His ways?

  • Donnie Buchanan says:

    Planned Parenthood doctors are just hitmen out for children. They kill for money.

    1. Wanda says:

      Totally agree.

  • itsfun says:

    SO WHAT: The Congress will do nothing about it. The Attorney General will do nothing about it. The President will applaud it. Face it folks, we citizens are only good for paying taxes to support illegal activities like this. We have a President that couldn’t care less about our laws or Constitution. We have absolutely no say in where the money the government takes out of our paychecks goes.

  • Timothy Thompson says:

    Democrats sanctioned murderer’s who kill unborn babies and their scheme to harvest and sell body parts, who dreamed up that little business? Someone needs to be brought to justice for this crime against nature.

    1. robert sanders says:

      hitler hillary did

      1. Wanda says:

        Hillary is certainly one of powers that be who have been a part of this from the beginning. She is certainly one who should be held accountable. And she will be… if not in this life… by the Christian God she does not believe in.

    2. Wanda says:

      It is called the slippery slope of Politically Correct Agenda. First the toe, then… then… then. The country’s sense of morality has been numbed to say the very least. Too many in high places with too much power to be held accountable. Another reason… voters who vote for their own cookies instead of principle. By the time people wake up and not all of them ever do… it is too late.

  • maxx says:

    Did P.P. break federal laws related to fetal body part trafficking? Didn’t the videos obtained by undercover heroes lay it out succinctly enough? For god’s sake P.P. is a damn “butcher shop” breaking every law normal human beings hold dear. P.P. should be shut down and everyone employed by it and associated with it sent to prison.

  • Luke says:

    How does a person work in a place that murders children to sell their body parts..Or I should say, what kind of person is that, they must be demon possessed, There is no other explanation..

    1. Rodney Steward says:

      This is not just going on with babies, I believe it goes on in hospitals under cover too!

      1. Wanda says:

        No end to what evil will do… nor the desire of the evil one to destroy mankind.

    2. maxx says:

      I would say “mentally defective liberals”.

      1. Wanda says:

        Spiritually defective which results in mentally defective

    3. Wanda says:

      You have a good point. Definitely influenced and possessed by the evil one.

  • justinwachin says:

    It only makes sense that if you are buying baby parts you want to know something about the pedigree of the parts. This investigation reveals another aspect of the sleazy world of the abortion industry. These baby slaughterers have grown wealthy of exploiting women and we now know they created a second revenue stream by “parting out” the babies.

    1. Rodney Steward says:

      Pretty sure the mom’s got paid too!

      1. maxx says:

        That is one thing I have suspected for a long time because many of the women have had multiple abortions. I can believe they do it for “profit” to supplement their welfare. Why not? Nobody at P.P. will blow the whistle.

      2. Wanda says:

        Maybe some women have been paid. But probably more is out of desperation and self centered selfishness… buying into the Politically Correct Agenda that the unborn baby is not alive and it is the convenient right to get rid of it. The baby has even been referred to as only tissue. More money for organizations like Planned Parenthood and abortionists.

  • Rodney Steward says:

    Over 3,000 babies are murdered a month from these clinics, and all the President pushes is gun control that kill FAR LESS, and climate change that kill even FAR less, as in ZERO!! Huston, we have a problem!!

    1. Wanda says:

      3000 a month. How about 60 million since Roe vs Wade. And yet there are those who do not bat an eyelash over such staggering numbers. But… let it be one gorilla for example… out rage… even when saving the life of a child.

  • bobnstuff says:

    Let me see if I understand what the Washington Times has said. The House has letters from a group that produced a video that has been disproved over and over again in court that now claims HEPAA violations. It has already been proven that Planned Parenthood is not selling body parts a number of times but now they are trying to get them on a HEPAA violation. I looked up the rules and I believe that other then trying to make them look bad nothing can come of it. In the paper work sign by just about everyone when going for any medical service the provider can give information to others as long as the don’t give names. I would be very surprised that PP doesn’t use that kind of form. I’m not thrilled with abortions but attacking Planned Parenthood is not the way to stop them. If you really want to end abortions you should attack the need for them.

    1. SDofAZ says:

      Bob, I have not seen the info on this being disproved. You usually post accurate info, so where was this determined? The stem cell business would be a hugh temptation so I am just not with you on this conclusion. Thanks for any enlightenment but rationalization, greed and opportunity are all present in the body harvest senario and I am a resolved believer in people are always willing to cross the line given the three factors of retionalization, greed, and opportunity.

      1. Rodney Steward says:

        You sure have a nice way of putting things SD, much better at it than me! 🙂

      2. bobnstuff says:

        Every state that investigated the Planned Parenthood came up empty and the only charges that were filed were against the makers of the video in Texas. Do you believe that the AG’s in all those republican states would have passed the chance to take PP to trial if give the chance. Do employees do stupid things and cross the line from time to time, yes. Do employees say things they shouldn’t, of course but is Planned Parenthood selling body parts as part of their business. No one have proven it as a fact and many people have tried.

        1. Obwon One says:

          sounds naive

          1. bobnstuff says:

            A politician passes up a chance to get national coverage on a case that would be in the press everyday for months because he knows he has no case and you say I’m naive.

          2. Wanda says:

            Ask yourself how people like the Hillary can escape being sent to prison

          3. bobnstuff says:

            That’s easy first you need to commit a crime. It does look like Trump might end up in jail for fraud though.

        2. maxx says:

          Again. If you watched the videos and heard the conversations you are very sick or a typical liberal with no morals.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            I’m not all that liberal but I know a little about propaganda films and you got to see the best living propaganda artists work. As much as the conservative AG’s want to nail Planned Parenthood they can’t because the film was a fake and there are not facts that will hold up in court.

          2. Wanda says:

            The film was not a fake. It was edited to shorten time not to produce a lie.

        3. Wanda says:

          Have to abide by FED law that protects Planned Parenthood. Also… was it FED agencies doing the investigations? There are so many loop holes for those who desire to do evil to slip through. Truth does not always win out in the fallen world. Just take a good look at the criminal world.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            It was the state AG’s not the Feds. All of them were Republicans. Had there been a case you can bet they would have gone after it. Texas did go after one of the film makers though.

    2. Rodney Steward says:

      You can blow smoke up some peoples butt and they believe it, as in if U like your Doctor U can keep it, or every family can save at least 2,500 $$$ a year on their coverage, all a big LIE! THEY were SELLING BABY PARTS!!!

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Did you personally lose you doctor? Do you remember when Obama made that statement?

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          Yep, and everything has tripled, such as co-pay, meds, emergency room tripled, and yes I remember when the clown said it, It was on TV and is still shown in news clips!!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            My insurance went down with the ACA. I lost my doctor twice before the act because my company kept changing carriers. As I asked do you know WHEN he said it? The bill hadn’t been passed and after it was he changed what he said because the bill wasn’t what he had asked for. The President didn’t write the law and with 144 changes from the original bill to what we got in the end many things had changed.

          2. Wanda says:

            Keep on believing brother. If something is good… he gets the credit. If something is bad… he gets the PASS.

          3. Wanda says:

            Yep. But no matter what the liberals do to them, they keep right on believing them.

        2. Wanda says:

          I know personally for myself what happened to my health insurance. I know what has happened in other people’s lives as well. I had to downsize my insurance and you better believe it does effect what doctors are on that list. I have seen companies change insurance coverage that retirees were counting upon because of Obamacare. If you think Obamacare is a good thing you are sadly mistaken. Quaranteed… people lost out one way or another. Do you like decisions about your health care being made according to “quality of life” and “cost effective”? Do you like the idea of rationed healthcare or out and out denial?

      2. Wanda says:

        Absolutely… just as they are killing living unborn babies. Don’t have to abort/kill what does not have life. But there are people dumb enough to fall for that.

    3. maxx says:

      What rock have you been living under during 2015? I watched the videos and I heard the discussions between the individuals. Left nothing to the imagination whatsoever. You are a real “sick puppy”.

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Do you know anything about the guy who made the video? Mr. O’keefe could make you believe anything. He is the best of the best when it comes to propaganda. You have been played by the best.

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          NOBODY can top Obama when it comes to propaganda and bullsh$t!!!!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Obama sucks at propaganda, if he was any good at it you would love him instead of hating him. It shows just how good O’keefe is by how many people will fight to support what he tells you.

          2. Rodney Steward says:

            NO WAY I would ever like or love him, much less fight for him!! {:-) !!!!

          3. bobnstuff says:

            You believe PP is selling baby parts and that ACORN was involved in Voter fraud. If James O’keefe can make you believe those myths he could get you to love Obama.

          4. Rodney Steward says:

            And what part of this do U not believe, and if U believe this SH, then U my friend are very uninformed! It has been ALL over almost every NEWS channel many times! Please tell me your brighter than this!!

          5. bobnstuff says:

            It was on TV so it must be true! I guess you missed the news about if being incorrect and when the AG of Texas brought charges against the people involved in making the film.

          6. Rodney Steward says:

            Go eat some more pot brownies bob, it wasn’t Texas! It was Ohio!

          7. Rodney Steward says:

            D’N Davy, you’re right, my bad, first mistake of the week, but you still don’t believe this does happen!

          8. bobnstuff says:

            I really don’t believe it happened. I know O’keefe is a master liar so I trust nothing he puts out. The other thing is Planned Parenthood is not a business and creating a cash stream isn’t how they do things. Anything they would get selling body parts would be small change and not worth the book keeping. They get millions of dollars from the government plus about the same from other places. Abortions isn’t that big a part of what they do and not profitable. It makes no sense for them to go after this money. If they were doing it there would be records of it in their books and since they are open to the public we would have heard about it.

          9. Rodney Steward says:

            Not even any under the table BS, that even the IRS pulled in their business!

          10. bobnstuff says:

            I’m pretty sure that no one in management would dare to even think about something so dumb. This group knows that there are people ready to jump on them at any point and I would be very surprised if one i isn’t dotted or one t isn’t crossed. They know that they are being watched. As I have said that attecking Planned Parenthood is not the way to stop abortions. Preventing abortions is a much bigger part of there mission. less the a third of their offices even do abortions. They get most of their money from delivering health care.

          11. robert sanders says:

            what f#####ing world or hole did you come from, dip

          12. Wanda says:

            No, he is trying to expose what he and others believe to be the truth… and is the truth.

          13. Wanda says:

            Hillary is certainly keeping up with Obama. Every word that comes out of Hillary’s or Obama’s mouth is propaganda. The truth is not in them.

        2. robert sanders says:

          looks like the gov. has made you to believe that its ok to kill babies.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            No but I do know that the outlawing of it will not stop it and that if you make it so people don’t need them it’s a far better solution. You see I’m pro life not just pro birth.

          2. robert sanders says:

            how do you know this. are you a mind reader. did you read this in a book. are you god. what makes you an authority on this.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            I have spent some time looking into this subject. If you look at the rates of abortion is states with good sex education and strong Planned Parenthood you will see that the abortion rates are lower then in states that spend their energy trying to close clinics. Also there has been much written on why women get abortions and just who they are. The abortion rate has been dropping over the last few years and sex education programs work when they are aloud. You can’t stop abortion by outlawing it any more then you can stop drug use with laws. As I have said I’m not pro abortion but have taken the time to look at the whole problem not just the act itself.

          4. robert sanders says:

            you must be an expert on abortions and plan parent hood. your not a transgender or you . oh, you must be to know so much about abortions and killing of babies. you also must be an expert on sex education. hhhuuummm, how to screw your brains out the right way. oh, my rubber has a hole in it. oh oh. better go to plan parent hood and have this fetus cut out.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            It seems I’m much more of an expert then you at least. For one thing they don’t cut them out, but you wouldn’t know that. You really don’t know much do you. Maybe you should take a sex ed class.

          6. robert sanders says:

            the only thing you an expert at is bulls$$ting

          7. bobnstuff says:

            That’s one more thing then you for sure. I, as an expert in bulls$$ting can tell when some one is and guess what….

        3. Wanda says:

          Mr. O’Keefe sounds like decent citizen who is a moral conservative. You are probably one of those who calls the truth propaganda… and propaganda the truth.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            The Problem with Mr. O’keefe’s truths is no one else can prove him right and he is proven to being a liar every time. He has no problem faking information or lying. Read his history. It’s one thing to see a wrong and try to right it but another thing to create a wrong and clam it to be the truth.

    4. Wanda says:

      The ones who produced the video had their hands tied with rules designed to protect Planned Parenthood. Accused of breaking rules not that they were not telling the truth. Big difference.

      1. bobnstuff says:

        BS, The group paying for the film are very anti Planned Parenthood and O’keefe could do anything he wanted to do as long as it made PP look bad.

  • Ed says:

    Well I know I will be called names and say I am for Hill but I am not, but how can Trump say this lowlife organization should receive tax money?

    1. used_to_be_a_liberal says:

      Trump made the comment that Planned Parent Hood does some good things, apart from abortion. The “apart from abortion” part was left out of most news reports.

      1. SDofAZ says:

        There you go, well said used to be a liberal. That is the part of the organization I have always supported but this baby parts selling crap is illegal and should be pursued for those involved. That part of the organization stepped over the line and deserve jail time.

        1. maxx says:

          I have a daughter that said she once went to a P.P. clinic to get birth control pills. She was told to go to a pharmacy down the street. Don’t know if it was because she was “white” or because handing out birth control pills interferes with their supply of fetuses for sale.

          1. Rodney Steward says:

            Both, White and it interfered!

          2. Wanda says:


          3. Wanda says:

            Good point.

        2. Wanda says:

          Any good that Planned Parenthood does is provided other places. It is not necessary to continue to let this evil organization continue to exist. Its founder was Margaret Sanger from Warren, OH. She was a racist who pretended to care about the black mothers who just could not afford to take care of those babies. She also promoted population control… so she did not mind at all when her agenda found its way to include all unborn babies regardless of race.

          1. PC Bob says:

            When I was in college in the early 90’s Blacks were said to make up 20% of the population. Now they are a LOT less than that! Is it because of abortions? I think so.

          2. Abel says:

            Population control is a prime requisite for the success of the United Nations and their New World Order under Agenda 21. Obama and his minions support the UN and all their Socialist idiotology. Trump may turn out bad, but he can’t be any worse than what we have or Hillary or Bernie. I’ll take a chance on Trump.

      2. PC Bob says:

        But, essentially, the only thing PP does IS abortions! Without that, they are pretty much useless! He says they do mammograms, and they DO NOT!

        1. used_to_be_a_liberal says:

          well that’s a good thing, because if I was a woman, I certainly wouldn’t want to place my boob on a piece of metal then have another piece of metal come down on top of it, then squash it flat,

          1. Rodney Steward says:

            LOL, my WIFE HATES THAT!!!

          2. used_to_be_a_liberal says:

            Yes, and mine too, there has to be a better way.

          3. Rodney Steward says:

            There’s been a lot of improvements in a lot of fields, and you’d think this one would be a no brainer to improve! 🙂

          4. used_to_be_a_liberal says:

            maybe some sadist enjoys giving them

          5. Rodney Steward says:

            LOL, Of course, this world is full of perverts!!

  • JOE says:

    democrats the scum of the earth!

  • Wanda says:

    Now, I hope all those who try to deny that Planned Parent is involved in harvesting little aborted babies will wake up and smell the reality of the truth. And, YES, for PROFIT… MONEY. Murder and Harvesting… and both are for PROFIT… MONEY. Planned Parenthood is evil and we certainly should not be sending them our tax money. Planned Parenthood should be shut down period. Women’s health indeed. MONEY, PROFIT, AND POPULATION CONTROL

    1. Ramon1710 . says:

      Much as many muslims deny the holocaust ever occurred, there are many democrats who refuse to watch the PP “parts for sale” videos, claiming there is no problem. Can’t let morals or any sense of decency interfere with those planned parenthood campaign donations, you know.

      1. Kanawah says:

        Because the videos are hack edits of many hours of illegally obtained video that was stitched into a nonsensical video to try to incite the stupid anti choice loons.

    2. used_to_be_a_liberal says:

      Wanda, Wanda, Wanda, how can you be so callous as to attack a stepping stone to socialist ideology. Poor Obama would be devastated to hear you talk like that, and his progressive minions would be in an up-roar. Look how progressive China was when years ago they had a one child mandate, any children after the first one were done away with, this was after birth abortion, very progressive this was. Now keep in mind that Obama admires Chinese style government, he says that you can get things done, and quickly.
      Now China is said to be exporting Human meat, see how far they have progressed, and yet, they say that they are not.
      Why would China want to deny that they are slaughtering humans for consumption? This is a very progressive program, it is very compatible with socialist ideology, and very cost effective. The old saying, ‘waste not, want not” is very appropriate fits right in with Chinese philosophy.
      The Chinese harvest organs from prisoners.
      Human meat tastes sweet, look at the variety of cuts, especially rump roasts.
      So for population control, the government herds in all the useless, non productive, lazy louts, slaughters them, them processes them into something useful, this way they have contributed to Chinese society, and should be proud to have been served.
      When it comes to the old people, well their meat is no good, but they do make good food for animals, and of course fertilizer, the same for the sick, and the diseased. Look at how much they save the collective on health-care costs. Then of course there issue of animal rights, well this program helps to protect animals.
      Who knows, maybe you too, will soon be eating Chinese, and if the left-wits get their way, maybe American too, then we can have a diversified diet as well.

      1. Wanda says:

        Totally agree. Don’t forget… just anyone who disagrees with the powers that be. Big, ever increasing power and control by the government.

      2. Kent2012 says:

        can you say soylent green….

        1. Abel says:

          Yes I can, and it’s a “Brave New World” that’s coming.

        2. Wanda says:

          Charleston Heston starred a movie about that.

    3. ADRoberts says:

      Sounds like you are, OR SHOULD BE talking about TRUMP.

      1. Wanda says:

        See the reply above under my name

          1. Wanda says:

            Planned Parenthood is absolutely involved with harvesting unborn babies and selling them. Absolutely… absolutely. Those tapes were absolutely truth. There are legal ways to side step but that does not change the truth.

          2. ADRoberts says:

            Youi are right. And what is worse is the extreme effort of high government officials to jail those who reveal their wickedness and make sure that NO ONE ever exposes their actions again.
            The next worst step is the LACK of action against these government officials.

          3. ADRoberts says:

            Sorry about rejecting the directions to look up your other post. Just too many requests and references to too many things. I can’
            t do it any more.
            You are right.
            God is right. All the time. And He is NOT deceived. And He is still in control
            John 14:1-3 Great encouragement.

      2. apen says:

        What is the rational choice given Hillary and Bernie are socialist/ communist ideologues ? Trump LISTENS and that is what WE need.

        1. ADRoberts says:

          Are yo kidding. Trump only listens to those telling him what to say to appease conservatives. Yes, he is better than Clinton or Sanders.
          Like the difference between being attacked by a Pit bull or a Rothweiller.

          We needed and want a real conservative. Not a man who just swapped sides, braqgged about how easy it was to deceive conservatives. and even today, keeps DOING things that indicate HE IS LYING.

          1. Wanda says:

            I do not think Trump is listening to anyone… just speaking in the spur of the moment. And, yes, what we need is a real conservative… we need a man of principle who is a Statesman… not just a politician. My support was for Rand Paul… his father before him. They are not owned by the Party either.

          2. ADRoberts says:

            Ron would have gone a very long way. He did, however express the extremes of libertarians by advocating 1. Unrestricted use of illegal drugs, 2. Withdrawing from ALL foreign affairs. 3. Withdrawing from ALL moral stands.
            Yes, had he been a real Christian FIRST and not a libertarian, he would probably be president.
            Morality is CENTRAL to ALL government functions.
            And it is why God is judging our nation.
            You can’t get that many millions of people to run, lemming like,after Sanders, Clinton, AND Trump, without a major break down of our ethicals, morality, honesty and respect for others.

            “……whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
            God simply does not change.
            Now we are in great distress. For no matter WHO wins, IF Obama even allows an election, we are going to face 1. Massive debts that Congress has no intention of addressing. 2. Almost certain collapse of our dollar.
            3. A likely trigger of massive violence from muslims, or blacks or homosexuals designed to cause ANARCHY
            4. An offer by these same elite to “save” us, give us a little order, a little food……..and all we will have to do is give up our GUNS, our rights and our freedoms.

            Yes. This IS the antichrist.

          3. Wanda says:

            And our souls… our loyalty to Jesus Christ.

          4. ADRoberts says:

            “He who is faithful to THE END, will receive the crown of life…….”
            Remember the Ten Virgins.. Five did not make it. But all were ready to go when the night started.
            Remember the Christians who are dying at a rate of ONE every FIVE MINUTES at the hands of muslims.
            And Tim LaHaye did a great disservice when he persuaded wimpy
            “Christians” that they would be raptured and not have to suffer.

          5. Wanda says:

            The End for Christians is when Jesus comes for His own… end time rapture… or when as an individual we just come to the end of our life and go to be with the Lord. The Rapture is right there towards the end of Revelations. There is a time when the winds are held back (winds of conflict are lessened), church age for the spreading of the Gospel through out the whole earth. The winds of the AntiChrist held back. Long period of time. Then there is the speaking of the winds beginning to blow again. The winds of conflict and of the AntiChrist? Then it does speak of Jesus coming for His own and meeting him in the air. Then it speaks of the time of the kings… short time… followed by Armegedon and the return of Jesus, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Read Revelations, you will find what I am saying is there. God did promise that His own would not face the worst… and the time of the kings is the worst.

          6. ADRoberts says:

            Please find the word “RAPTURE” in the Bible. Or even find the pointed descriptoin of it. It is not there.
            You have made interpretations of verses in Revelation. For certain, not of your own but following some other “leader” Yet no proof. And still a certainty that they KNOW what is to happen. NOT.

            The order of all of these events is the problem you and whoever you are following have. You can have a series of statements following one after the other. And yet NO way of knowing that THAT is a sequence of how they will happen and in that order.
            In fact, I can guarantee you that they certainly will NOT occur in that order.
            I give you a single verse from Prophesy of Days in Daniel.
            “Blessed is he who waits till the 1235 day.”.
            Adam Clarke in 1825 made a statement that the verse prior to that one referred to the return of Jews to the Holy Land. And his analysis missed it by one year. The date of 1190 days was spot on for 1948. That would mean that the blessed thing that men would want would occur in 1993. But what was it? Or is this another one of those things that are NOT sequential? Maybe it was the YEAR that Jews finally turn and accepted Messiah.
            Now understand this. All of these prophesies are of some benefit. But most people are distracted from real service and NEVER get around to Acts 1:8.

          7. Wanda says:

            How about toward the end of Revelation where it speaks of “meeting Jesus in the air” and about Jesus coming for those who belong to him. “meeting Jesus in the air” is the Rapture. If you do not like the time of seven years… you are free to think it represents a short time. I actually consider that possibility.
            Consider this… scripture explains scripture.
            You too are following someone… influenced by someone. I choose what I believe and who I choose as teachers, the church that I attend based upon my understanding of the Word of God… that is my standard.
            I have studied the Word of God since I was young. I study many commentaries… not just one. The commentaries are written by Bible Scholars who are very learned men. Sometimes they have varying perspectives on a particular area of scripture or how it balances with other scripture. I study the commentaries and I study the scripture. That is where my perspective comes from… not just some book someone wrote or TV program. Do not try to paint me as just a follower of someone else. You cannot pigeon hole me.
            You are following someone… or you are just falling back on the Word says that we cannot know. God has given all kinds of prophecy and pictures through history. He has given us all kinds of signs. God did not give us confusion. He did not give us a holy book of hodgepodge. Scripture explains and balances scripture. God says “Study to show thyself approved…” and He also says to be ready to give your reasons for what you believe. God also told us to take the Gospel throughout the whole earth… not just part of His Word. He gave us His Word through the Holy Bible. All of scripture is suitable for learning, growing in Christ. God’s Word tells that now we know in part but someday we will know as we are known. We are not going to totally understand everything… there will always be room to grow in understanding. What one may not understand perhaps another does understand… one of the reasons for churches… to grow in our knowledge and understanding. I believe that God wants to share our understanding with each other… not just be silent. Not to limit our understanding by just falling back on… we cannot know. God has not given the day nor the minute. But He certainly has given us signs… like the signs of weather in the skies.

          8. ADRoberts says:

            You ignored what I said.I said find the word, in any translation.
            I have seen enough of what you are and who you are, I read only the first few lines. You have ignored what I told you.

          9. Wanda says:

            I did not ignore what you said. Just because you cannot find a particular word does not mean you can not find a description of the event that the word is pointing to. You are stumbling over language instead of event. The event is in Revelations just like I said.That does not change the fact that the Bible says that is going to happen.

          10. ADRoberts says:

            I am not stumbling over anything. I have had 67 years to watch as so many people DO stumble over extreme efforts to lay out the LAST DAYS on a time table. When all that matters is OBEY TODAY.
            Now, YOU tell me what benefit would it be to those who MIGHT be believers if you could tell them the time of any particular event.
            Will it make them more inclined to serve God, to give control of their lives to JESUS right now? Of course not.
            There is LOGICALLY nothing good that can come from such information OR such efforts.
            But in your ego and self determination, you won’t be able to see that.
            So I will give you a scenerio. Let’s say that God does have a DAY —A SECOND when He is ready to pull the plug. But He has determined to tell everyone that IF someone does discover when it is, He WILL change it immediately. So THEN what benefit would it be to focus all your spiritual energy to that end?
            You have ONE verse to obey. Acts 1:8 You have ONE assignment. BE A WITNESS to those you cross paths with of God’s love and salvation.

          11. Wanda says:

            I asked you a question… what is true service?

          12. ADRoberts says:

            So you can ignore the FACT that I pointed out that the word Rapture is not in the Bible. You are allowed to do that by your lack of standards and a sense of disrespect.
            Then you demand that I tell you what “true service” is.

            Now before I answer, and I will, I will give you some WISDOM.
            You ARE the product of an interaction with OTHERS. No question. No doubt. Just about everything we KNOW or think WE KNOW, comes from someone else.
            I only tried to get you to admit WHO you have been listening to. But either you are ashamed or don’t want to admit who it is, or YOU FORGOT.

            True service is OBEDIENCE.
            I could go to all the trouble you went to trying to justify all those people YOU listened to. But I can’t.
            This is MY definition. I did not get it from anyone in particular. But if you want to disagree., go ahead.

          13. Wanda says:

            Jesus ascended in the air and He will return the same way.

          14. ADRoberts says:

            What about Jesus meeting us in the air. Do you know that it does not happen ALL THE TIME. Or that it will happen AFTER the battle is over?

            I think I have had enough of you. I don’t buy what you put out. Why should I.

          15. Wanda says:

            I stick to my guns concerning limited government. Each level of government should stay within their borders given to them by our Constitution. If big government was not sticking its nose into these issues, we would not be facing these issues. Yes, we need to vote against those things when the issue raises its head. I still think it is more about perspective. The problem is that big government is forcing these issues upon us. Yes, that legislation needs to be defeated. And Rand has been standing against those things… just not in the terminology or perspective that you want to hear. In the process of standing against these evil agendas… which I have stood and fought as a political activist… are we taking that stand as big government ourselves? Rand is becoming more and more a voice.

          16. Wanda says:

            I am going to throw you a curve. At one time, I would have been totally against marijuana period. But I am in favor of medical marijuana. Have you read the side effects of prescription drugs and over the counter legal meds? I also think that some of the laws are very harsh concerning marijuana and turn kids into hardened criminals.
            Now, having said that. I have experienced healing personally myself which involved a personal healing experience and the presence of Jesus. The healing is also physically verified.

          17. ADRoberts says:

            I will not totally trash what you have said. It is up to you to decide your own eternity.
            But remember this. Marijuana was and is the STARTING drug for so many millions. And SOME of those who started with it are NO DEAD from overdoses.
            Not a stretch. Just fact. If they had NEVER started with marijuana, they might still be alive.
            What you have done is called RATIONALIZATION
            And for the “MEDICAL” benefits, do you suppose that left to the DOCTORS, they would have eventually gotten around to using a PRESCRIPTION for marijuana to use the “beneficial” effects?
            I just sent your “curve” into left field.

          18. Marie Saqueton says:

            Any substance abuse kills, even alcohol, cigarettes and pain medications. Marijuana at least helps more than 39 diseases with no internal side effects to your kidneys, liver heart lungs, even the neurons in your brains. I know, I come from 15 medical doctors in the family and they said that Marijuana should be legalized but lobbyists of the big Pharma will never let that happen. So much for natural medicine, politics always wins.

          19. ADRoberts says:

            No, he is not owned. And yet his lack of support of so many MORAL things, like opposing illegal drugs is exactly why I never considered him.
            If he had been faithful on the morality things and the foreign affairs issues, I could have overlooked a great many other things.
            Take Rand Paul. I was with him until he turned and openly agreed with normalizing relationship with Cuba. That was just wrong. And it was enough to mark him off.
            Palin was mine. Until she endorsed Trump, WHILE Todd was close to death in a hospital. I assume that someone made her an offer she could not refuse. Maybe they caused the “accident” And they reminded her it could have been WORSE. “Either way, she CAVED.
            Trump IS one of the elite. NO DOUBT.

          20. Wanda says:

            No candidate or legislator is going to be perfect. I do believe that both Ron and Rand Paul are true Christians. One thing I do know about them is that they do not want to use their faith to get votes. GW Bush definitely used Christianity to get the votes of Christians and conservatives. He was not who he professed to be at all. He was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He was a deceiver. GW Bush poisoned the well with Christians in particular. Jeb saw the blacklash. I also know that both Ron and Rand do believe that Christian principles were the foundation principles and values of this nation and support the provisions in our Constitution. You are right that they do also have the libertarian view. However, I think you will find that vote strongly for faith and values in terms of bills. They believe strongly that there are things that the government is meddling in that they have no business meddling in so there may be times when it seems like they are not supporting faith values but they are… because there are compromises in those bills that would be giving the government authority and control in places that are unconstitutional and will work against our faith and values. They strongly stand for getting government out of areas they do not belong in. Rand Paul has a bill to completely defeat Roe vs Wade. In the past those supposedly standing with people of faith on these issues have been compromising to the point that we just continue to have these issues. Ron and Rand want to do away with them not just compromise and let them continue to hang around. Sometimes the compromises end up being even worse because they never end. Limited government that actually limits the government to the authority and responsibility given by our Constitution… Liberty. Just a thot about Cuba. Those political powers that be in Cuba are starring death in the face. Perhaps a little more friendly open door would open the new doors of Cuba that are ahead. Ron and Rand Paul believe what the founding fathers said when they warned about entanglement with other nations. That is entanglement not… not having some open communication that might promote better understanding. Granted there are times when communication is not possible with hardened hearts and minds. God did say to be at peace with others as much as possible. At the same time God did not tell us to sell our souls in the name of peace. God is perfect in every way. God is perfect balance.

          21. ADRoberts says:

            True Christians? Really. There is only ONE place where you can declare that a person is likely to be a TRUE CHRISTIAN. John 14:12. And they AREN’T there.
            LIbertarians are not by definition, Christians. WHY? Libertarians are focused on SELF and taking care of themselves. There is NO CONCERN for anyone else and no restrictions on what they can do. Drugs ARE destructive. And the libertarian view is that we should make them all legal.
            Do you understand that MOST people, if they were told what the outcome of their “experimenting” would be WOULD reject them. But there is NO warning. ANd even if there were, you surely see what the warnings on cigarettes do to stop people. IT DOESN’T.
            There does come a point in time when it is NECESSARY for “others” to protect those too stupid not to kill themselves.
            Libertarians don’t get that.

          22. Wanda says:

            Ron and Rand Paul are not totally Libertarian. They stand for Limited Government… big issue. It is the government meddling that has brought us much of these evils as government agendas and programs. Our government is pushing these agendas… Big government power and control. I agree with what you say but my perspective is a little different. Is the answer to fight over which big government legislation is going to be in charge? Or is it to try to get big government out of these issues… return to limited government… to staying with the authority and responsibility given to government in our Constitution. Right now, America is barely giving lip service to our Constitution. That is not being anti Christian or not supporting Christianity.

          23. Wanda says:

            OK… I am a true Christian. I believe and have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior and Lord.
            Now, in terms of politics. I have been a Christian political activist… big time. I am a mixture of thot. It is not so easy to just pigeon hole my perspective. Republican or Independent mix. Some Libertarian thrown in… big supporter of limited government and liberty. Big supporter of morality, values, principles that are Biblical. Big supporter of our Constitution. Love America but hate what is happening in America. You cannot totally label me… except that I am a true Christian.

          24. ADRoberts says:

            Many claim to be Christians. Matthew 7:21-23 deals with those who have deceived themselves and God rejects them at judgement.
            A “political” Christian activist? You did not go into details.
            So I will just ask you THE critical question. IS JESUS CHRIST LORD OF ALL.
            A great many who claim to be Christians will find that the parable of the Ten Virgins applies to them. The part about the FIVE who don’t make it.
            “It is a fearful thing to be in the hands of an angry God.”
            “Work out your own salvation WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING”
            So many have NO IDEA what it takes to please God. They want to make HIM fit their agenda.
            So what part of your “political”action do you KNOW God will have a problem with. Yes, you know what you are trying to slip by Him. And you KNOW it won’t work
            “but each man is tempted when by his own evil desires, he is dragged away and enticed. Then when desire is full grown, it gives birth to sin. And sin, when it is full grown gives birth to DEATH. (Book of James.)

            No, I don’t label you. But as Matthew points out in 7:15-20, I do know you. And so does everyone else. So find out. Ask someone you trust if they think you are a genuine Christian.

          25. ADRoberts says:

            Republicans have been officially PROLIFE for many decades. So where has this BILL from Rand Paul been all these years. And in case you don’t know, the “leadership” will make sure it never sees the light of day.
            It is all DECEPTION and lies.
            Your attitude toward Cuba is exactly what Chamberlain wanted to do with Hitler. You think that ANY tyrant will, when facing death, decide to admit they were wrong. NOT. Fidel has been “god” in Cuba for all these years. And now he snookered us into GIVING him “success” by opening our market to him.
            HE WON. ANd he knows it. And Obama knows it. And Rand Paul knows it. No Rand did not explain himself in a way that makes me believe he was being transparent. Likely that the elite, Bilderbergs TOLD him what to do. And likely that they have to POWER over him to make him obey.

          26. Wanda says:

            I would have voted for Rand is he would have remained a candidate for President. But when I voted, I voted for Cruz. GW Bush poisoned the well for many Christians. He claimed to be a devoted Christian and went after the most influencial Christian leaders support. But GW Bush was not who he presented himself to be. In face, I believe the last president that we have had that qualifies as a good President was Ronald Reagan. The last four are all one in the same, connected, entangled. Cruz has connections with GW Bush. So even though I voted for him, I crossing my fingers that he was not another GW Bush. I should have said that I was praying that… which I was. But it still expresses how I felt. GW Bush is the one who poisoned the well… that is why Christians feel so uncertain concerning supporting a candidate… that is why their strength seems to be missing this time… and why Cruz was not able to capitalize on Christian support.

          27. ADRoberts says:

            Cruz caved. He could have continued and would have been able to stop Trump from getting the nomination outright. For certain, he was FORCED out by the elite who were making sure that Trump would be POTUS.
            Yes, Trump IS one of them.

            How we actually seen real Christians, they would not have been so easily deceived by Trump. Trump was and is a rabid Liberal, who came over to deceive a great many who claim to be Christians. and claim to be conservatives. His words prove what I just claimed.
            No, this is from God.
            Our nation refuses to obey II Chronicles 7:14. And now, great pain and tribulation.

          28. Marie Saqueton says:

            Is that why everywhere we turn,all of them are bad-mouthing Trump? Have you ever heard anyone from the mainstream media to speak in favor of Trump?

          29. ADRoberts says:

            You are deceived if you think that the Castro’s will have “OPEN” discussion. It will be like all tyrants. Like Kim Un in North Korea. Like talking to a Trumpster who become verbaly violent and irrational in defending Trump. There is no reasoning with such. Like muslims. There is ONLY one way with them.

            Now as to what the liberals, muslims, media, atheist, homosexual and the rest of those DYING in their sins cannot understand.
            We are to LOVE the sinner BUT hate the sin.
            And not a ONE of those listed will tolerate any resistance to their SIN and do see it as a personal attack.
            Like the Bible said, God sometimes acknowledges that it is NOT possible.
            “Ephraim is joined to his idols. Let him alone.””
            Right now, our nation is firmly determined to each person’s OWN agenda.
            And they can only SEE what they WANT. Those who support Sanders see “FREE” education. I have no idea what those supporting Clinton are aiming for.
            Those who support Trump are DESPERATE to find hope. So much so that they ignore the facts that he keeps telling them every day.

            Now as to what GOD wants. He has said it in Matthew. “In the last days, because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.”
            And don’t forget the prophesy that says that the whole world will embrace the ANTICHRIST and put him in charge, when he APPEARS to save everyone.

          30. Wanda says:

            There is in scripture… 7 year period. In the middle of it is the Rapture… Jesus coming for His own. That is the promise that His own will not experience the worst. The last half will be the worst. That is the period of the kings. At the end of the kings period is Armegadon and the return of the King of Kings. The first half will not be a peace of cake. A leader who appears to have solutions will come forward and it will appear that he has some solutions… which is where the following comes in. But it will be in the midst of very bad circumstances. This AntiChrist will be given more and more power and control around the world. People will fall for it just like they fall for the politically correct agendas today. In fact, it is very much a part of it. A worldwide economic collapse is being predicted for this fall right around election time. Right at the time of changing leadership in our country. The scripture does not say that Christians will not go through the end times… but it does say that Jesus is coming for His own during the end times… will meet Him in the air… Rapture. It does say that God promises to remove His own before the WORST. Personally, I believe that the AntiChrist will be right at the point of claiming it all… oh, he will have power around the world but he will be at the end of obtaining his hearts desire… his own corination not just as a world leader but as God. Revelations refers to kings so there will be countries that will be more like states. But the King of Kings will return and deny the AntiChrist his crown and throne. It may appear that the AntiChrist has total control but there is still one more battle to face… and he loses. Jesus will but speak the Word/sword.
            The reason I said talking to Cuba might not be all that bad is because Castro and his brother are coming to the end of their lives… there will be new leaders shortly. You can bet our country is talking to all the other countries behind the scenes. What is bad is when Obama goes to those countries and apologizes to them, disloyal to America. honors the other country. Yes, there are times when a country or leader is like an Ephrim to be left to himself. Our country is entangled with Ephrim. ISIS was created by Obama and Hillary during the “Spring” in the Middle East. I certainly do not support entanglment and neither does Rand Paul. Rand is a Christian and he is standing as a Christian and continuing to do so. Both Ron and Rand have done so throughout the years. I think Rand will be standing stronger. We have been losing our strong leaders and our strong voices… getting older, many well known ones have already gone home to be with the Lord. I think you will find Rand becoming more and more a voice.

          31. ADRoberts says:

            I am 67 and have been in the church and the Bible all my life. Lots and lots of people over those years have claimed to know this or that.
            NONE of that is actually FACT. None of the “certainty” that so many have claimed is proveable.
            But this is certain. Those who DON’T want to suffer will grasp at any claim that will give them hope of no pain.
            Now tell that to Jesus, when He tells us that we will suffer just like HE did.
            Tell that to the Christians who are dying horrible deaths RIGHT NOW.
            Now some good advise for you. Be ready. You and all of the Laodicean church people WILL certainly face the NIGHT. And just like the TEN virgins, some will make it and some won’t.
            And then there is the prophesy about the believers who have GONE through persecution and washed their robes in the Blood of the Lamb.
            Why would you grasp at straws and claim that anyone will escape?
            What benefit?
            Certainly this is NOT of God but IS from the deceiver who wants us to THINK we are somehow special and maybe that we can’t persevere and therefore God will have pity on us while others have to go through IT.

          32. Wanda says:

            There are Christians that have been suffering around the world from the beginning… horribly. Read Revelations… you will find that what I have said is in the Scripture. I am older than you are and have been a Christian since very young. I have studied the Bible for many, many years. And watched many changes along the way.

          33. ADRoberts says:

            You are older? I am 67 and my first Sunday on earth was on the front pew of my father’s tiny Nazarene Church. Now IF you are a Christian, then you have dealt with the very instructions of Jesus Christ in John 14:12.
            “He who believes on me WILL do the same things I have been doing. He will do even greater things because I am going to the Father.”
            Do you understand? This is NOT a suggestion. It was not for just the disciples. It says, “He who believes on me WILL…..” No exceptions.
            And IF you have studied the Bible at all, you know that the reference to going to the Father is about HIM sending he Holy Spirit. That is called SANCTIFICATION. It is what happened at Pentecost. And it still happens today to those who DIE to themselves and give total control to Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
            You claim to be older and more mature.
            Prove it. Testify. Tell of the miracles you have been involved in. Tell how it continues day to day.

            Now a point. Even the demons know the Bible. It is not in studying the Bible, but in obeying and DYING to self that a person becomes a CHRISTIAN.

          34. Wanda says:

            What happened to salvation being a gift or salvation by grace? There is provision made for a follower of Christ… then slips and falls (commits sin), is to confess, and God will be faithful and just to forgive. We as Christians are no longer sinners (identity) and no longer under the bondage of sin. The Holy Spirit dwells within… God in us and with us. We do still live in a fallen world even though the fallen nature of God has been replaced by the Spirit of God/Jesus… and we do still experience the influence of the fallen world. God said that He knows our frame. Provision was made at the cross of Calvary for those times when a follower stumbles. I agree with most everything you say. But be careful about Christian legalism. Right standing with God is a gift paid for by Jesus Christ. We cannot earn it. But Jesus is to be our Lord and we are suppose to walk with Him, walk in God’s Ways. The Bible is God’s Word and suitable for growing in the knowledge of God and His Ways.
            Growing in understanding means reading and studying the Word of God. Meditating on the Word of God protects us from the influence of this fallen world and strengthens our walk with the Lord. The Bible is not something a person reads and says “what a great book” and goes own way. Nor is it something to put on a desk and let to collect dust.
            Changing subject: I am certain that you are aware of 1 Thes 4:13-18. That is the main verse that is used for the term Rapture… the description of it. So the description most definitely is in the Scripture.
            The Bible uses many forms of language to communicate. There is just the out and out stating of what means… facts. There is prophecy, parables, symbols. Sometimes a time stated in the actual amount of time. Sometimes the meaning is short time or long time. I used to feel really confused and even a bit fearful when it comes to Revelations. But then… as I studied it, I found it to be a fascinating book. I read commentaries to help me understand. It was helpful to study the perceptions of Bible scholars… not just one person. I am still involved in studying the Bible as a whole… still studying Revelations. My perceptions have changed a great deal. There is a great deal of history in Revelations. The understanding of symbols is actually based upon meaning used in the past. Scripture explains and balances scripture. One thing for certain… Jesus will return for His own before Armegeden, before His final battle with the AntiChrist and kings of this earth. In Revelations it does speak of harvesting by Jesus… first the harvesting of gathering His own and then afterwards the harvesting of what is to be thrown into the fire. You can find three and half years time references in the scripture as well as seven. It can be actual time or a reference to short or long time. I know I have repeated some things but it is still a part of the perspective that I am trying to share.

          35. ADRoberts says:

            Now good advise. BE READY. Don’t focus on the times. Focus on BEING His servant.
            You have no idea how many who could have become believers were disillusioned by false promises that did not come about. Lost because someone decided that IN SPITE of God telling us that no one, not even Jeus knows the times, they MUST have special knowledge and can figure it out.
            How many souls lost?
            And by the way. Cruz was WAY AHEAD of either Paul when it comes to being a conservative, consistent or a Christian. And he DID CAVE, when he could have stayed in the battle and did have a chance to take it away from Trump.
            No, someone got to him too.

          36. Wanda says:

            I have never focused upon the times in the past for the reasons you posted. God’s Word also says… connected with the very scripture you are quoting that God’s people should watch for the SIGNS of the times and uses what we know about weather and the skies as an example. The global situation of the world is an unmistakable sign. We do not know the TIME singular but we were told to watch for the signs of the times. To look up and be ready. No. I am not going to a mountain top and camping out next Tuesday… nothing like that. I do not think that a discussion of the times is a bad thing. People need to realize that it may be sooner than they think and need to be ready.

          37. ADRoberts says:

            Face it. The vast majority of those who “watch for the signs” are not really concerned about the overview. They are wanting to KNOW ahead of time so that they can GET RIGHT just before it all comes to the end.
            You want to KNOW the signs of end times. One is most important.
            The Church Of Laodicea. Refusing to get excited about serving God. Refusing to take a stand. Able to get along with the world and PROUD of it.
            ANd what does God do with them. I believe the CORRECT translation would be that he vomits them out of his mouth. They are REPULSIVE to Him.

            Then consider this verse. “Friendship with the world is enmity with God.”
            And we have a vast number of people who feel just fine, going to hear Joel Osteen and the other “feel good” preachers. But when it comes to actually discerning WHO is a real Christian, they pick the foul mouthed philandering Trump. And are PROUD of it.

        2. ADRoberts says:

          You are deceived.
          Yes, Clinton and Sanders are horrible. They will continue to destroy our nation.
          BUT, Trump is not that much different or better.
          And the ONLY reason Trump listens is so he will know what WE want to hear so he can say it.
          Proof. Asked who should be punished if abortion were illegal, he ASSUMED that conservatives would want to punish the woman. Bit blow back. He backpedals. Tries again. Big blowback. Finally, he decides that he can’t figure it out and has NOT said a single word on this since. Except to say that, “it is convoluted”.
          You see, all he is looking for is the RIGHT WORDS. He really does not mean ANYTHING he says since he has NO PRINCIPLES.

    4. Wanda says:

      Really??? It may be difficult to pin point where Trump stands on things. But I am talking to the average citizen who is in denial and falls for the Politically Correct Agenda. Hillary, in terms of a politician as well as candidate, is Queen of the Politically Correct Agenda including Planned Parenthood… you can bet she supports the Harvesting right along with the Abortion and Population Control. She supports all the sexual identity confusion agendas as well… including Transvestites in the restrooms and locker rooms. Hillary supports anything and everything that is immoral and not loyal to our country and its foundations.

      1. Mary Lennox says:

        It is my understanding that any religous organization that has kids in their custod gets paid very well for these kids. They really make a killing on the juvenile jails. It is on the order of 30k per annum. It comes to about 5 x what most single poor parents can provide per child. My brothers were part of the catholic orphanage system until I reached age to remove them. I was one of the people trying to get a lawyer/state to listen in the late 1950s @ the pervert protection plan afoot. It took another two generations more to acknowledge it . Let alone address it. In a so called democracy people get to take care of their own souls. What are you a shill for the american agents to provide fresh meat to its many criminal organizations still deemed legitimate. Mind your own business until you are going to address the surfeit of throw away kids this culture already has abandoned. I am 82 yrs old and noted every instanced I witnessed and my real name is sined here.

        1. Wanda says:

          Religious organizations being paid well for custody of kids. You are so misinformed and deceived. I do not care if you are 182 years old… you are wrong and you are biased. Do you support Women’s Lib? I can tell by what you say that you are a liberal. Big government certainly does not do a better job of taking care of kids… that is well documented as well. So the answer offered by liberals is “just kill them”, just “abort them”, just give them the ultimate of child abuse… just murder them in their mothers’ womb. Totally out of reality and certainly not an acceptable answer to anything… except in the minds that promote population control… which by the way is a slippery slope and ends apply to the elderly as well. I think you said it well…”sined here”
          You are assuming that I am not using my real name and actually making an accusation.

      2. Kanawah says:

        to your comment about “where Trump stands on things” is the only accurate point in your post.

        He changes his position faster than the weather.

        1. Wanda says:

          The rest of my post was totally accurate… even if you do not want to believe it. You are the one being deceived not me.

    5. Kanawah says:

      The harvesting of tissue is a standard medical practice. The problem is that the anti choice crowd will use any excuse to attack the essential service that Planned Parent Hood provides because they do not agree with the right to abortion.

      1. Wanda says:

        I stand against those practices no matter who is performing them. Anytime a person is murdered so they can be harvested even in the name of “medical” is still murder. Tissue, stem cells, etc. can be taken from one’s own body and the person continues to be a living person. Relatives and other donators can do the same without being murdered… in some cases can even donate an organ. But to be medically ethical it cannot and must not be involved in murder. If you do not know the difference, you are in sad shape as person.

  • unbridled says:

    Well, THANK YOU, Representitive Blackburn! My hats is off to you. Not even the dead child’s parents are safe form these scumbags….

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