National security leaders tamp down ‘fire and fury,’ pursue pragmatic approach to North Korea

by Carlo Muñoz and Dan Boylan
August 15, 2017

Senior national security leaders in the Trump administration are systematically walking back the president’s hard-line rhetoric toward provocations by North Korea, advocating over the past several days an approach that is less fire and fury and more of a pragmatic approach to Pyongyang’s saber-rattling.

Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on Monday joined the heads of the administration’s military, intelligence and diplomatic corps in calling for a restrained approach to North Korea, tempering the threat of military action while leaving open avenues for a peaceful resolution.

“The military dimension today is directly in support of that diplomatic and economic effort,” Gen. Dunford, the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit the Asia-Pacific region since the crisis escalated last week, told reporters in Seoul. “It would be a horrible thing were a war to be conducted here on the peninsula, and that’s why we’re so focused on coming up with a peaceful way ahead.”

But there were signs that the momentum of the crisis had not entirely stopped.

137 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • dmttbt says:

    I suppose these national security a holes like the position of leading from behind. they might be use to the smell since they have had their head in their a ss for so long.
    Bobnstuff is saying that Trump has had people covering his a ss for so long and all the drivel that he can make up. If you are a billionaire you live a different life than the rest of the world but that is part of being wealthy. People who have a gad opinions of doctors should find out what they go through to become a doctor. While if those complainers don’t get paid overtime they want to cry. I was in business for 38 years and people wanted me to come on Saturday or Sunday because they had to work for a living. They would have had a fit if I had charged them at an overtime rate but they wouldn’t work for anything less.

  • Irene Elizabeth Grooms says:

    I hope the little punk has sense to know he better not start something he can’t finish.

  • Tiger says:

    You have on Commander in Chief, you don’t walk back nothing. Get it right or get the Hell out. Sick of this. Discipline, honor, integrity and most of all know the Chain of Command you bastards.

    1. bobnstuff says:

      I guess the generals didn’t get the memo. People have been covering Trumps backside since day one. Look at how many times the Sec of State has had to do it. You will notice Trump has never complained about it.

      1. Tiger says:

        Obama ripped the guts out of the military, taking out all admirals, generals and officers from top to bottom. They are now an O military, many of them but let me tell you this, listen up they will get it or they will get it. Got it?

        1. bobnstuff says:

          “Defense officials don’t dispute that the military costs a lot — but, they argue, taxpayers get a lot for what they buy. Defense Secretary Ash Carter and other leaders have tried to shy away from responding to comments by Trump and other candidates, but occasionally they get pulled in.

          That was the case earlier this year when Air Force Gen. Paul Selva, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was asked about whether the U.S. military had, in fact, been “gutted.” No, he argued. If it’s smaller than it could be, it’s still very powerful.

          “At no time in my career have I been more confident than this instant in saying we have the most powerful military on the face of the planet,” Selva said. “Do we have challenges? Of course we do. When you are faced with a global set of threats, you have to make choices on where you focus your energy.”

          That’s what the military has to say.

          1. Tiger says:

            I am a Combat Support nurse since 1989 and served in two wars.

            Trump is the POTUS and he has information none of you have and do you think Obama knew more than his generals? He thought he did.

            Unlike the jerk shit O Trump knows the facts so F off.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Obama never claimed he knew more the the generals, Trump made that claim. Obama pulled troops out of harms way, do you think Trump would. Trump while campaigning disrespected our military and our vets over and over again. Also you do know Trump doesn’t like briefings and wants everything on one page. He gets his information for Fox & Friends.

          3. Retired says:

            You are AFU and full of bullshitsky like Obozo was and Billy Boy was no better .

          4. Tiger says:

            No Trump never ever made that claim, just like he never mocked that reporter. Obama did not pull troops out of harms way, he changed the Rules of Engagement downrange that favored the enemy and killed and maimed many of our soldiers.

            You are a liar. I heard every single campaign speech Trump made, he has vets, admirals, generals and active duty support. You do know that Obama never even went to his briefings.

            You do know that our pilots said they had to wait for permission from the WH to drop bombs on ISIS and by the time it came ISIS had moved, Obama micro managed the wars. He drug his feet on the Surge, 6 months, giving the enemy time to gear up, he gave the generals 1/2 the men they asked for.

            No Obama is the one who said over and over again about events, I didn’t know it til I heard it on the news.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdUZoTBdbDM
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodme9NRUU8

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/14/intelligence-briefing-obama-trump-pdb/81751230/

          5. Retired says:

            Tiger >>> Didn’t you know bobnbullshitsky is a expert at everything ???

          6. Tiger says:

            LOLOL no but learning it slowly.

          7. Retired says:

            Now what do the other branches of the military have to say ???? You did not serve one day but you know everything about the military and what is there and missing ???? Where did you find that Crystal ball that misleads you , oh I forgot you play on 4 different computers . Did you ever hear garbage in garbage out , just like our media .

          8. bobnstuff says:

            Didn’t Trump claim to know more then the generals? It’s kind of hard to fight the truth isn’t it. Trump has no more military training then I do and I would never claim to know more then the generals. I have great respect for our military, I have to since much of my family have been a large part of it. There has been a lot of brass in my family.

          9. Retired says:

            And you probably polished their brass for them .The way you claim to be a expert at every subject ,that makes you worse than what you say about Trump.

          10. bobnstuff says:

            Yes I learned how to polish brass, My Dad and my brothers made sure of that. I’m no expert on all subject but here you don’t need to be.
            ” The one eyed man is king in the land of the blind.”
            Unlike you though I did my home work on Trump so I do know who he is and what he really stands for. Having above a forth grade education sure does help.

          11. Retired says:

            He has to be a lot smarter than that as he knows all the loop holes and has more money than you will ever have even if you won the lottery .

          12. bobnstuff says:

            Yes he did have a very rich Daddy. As far as being smarter, I don’t think he’s smarter then some of the rocks in my garden.

          13. Retired says:

            You forget he worked with his father and the rocks in your garden goes you sh!t them out .

          14. Tiger says:

            No that is not what the military had to say and Ash Carter is an Obama talking head as was Clapper and everyone else. You think his trained monkey would say anything against him? LOLOL

            Go to military.com and see what the troops thought about Obama.

            “Obama will leave office with American military units still in the Middle
            East and Afghanistan, but overseeing training and assistance missions,
            not direct combat. He has received criticism both for failing to
            zero-out those deployments and moving too fast to pull down the numbers
            before those regions were fully secure. ”

            “He’s a reluctant
            warrior,” said said Phil Carter, director of the Military, Veterans and
            Society Program at the progressive Center for a New American Security.
            “He has struggled to end the wars overseas and fulfill those promises,
            and he never managed to do so.”

            “Troops polled appear divided on
            whether Obama ever achieved the proper balance on those deployed force
            levels. Nearly 60 percent of poll respondents said the drawdown of U.S.
            troops from Iraq made America less safe. A slightly smaller 55 percent
            said moves to pull U.S. forces out of Afghanistan has hurt this
            country’s national security. ”

            “While half of troops surveyed see
            the reduced emphasis on large-scale overseas missions as harmful to
            military readiness, 45 percent see the shift to training and advising
            missions as a positive for the armed forces. ”

            Donald Trump listens to generals’ advice on military – Washington Times

            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/…/donald-trump-listens-to-generals-advice-on-milita...

            Apr 9, 2017 – The same President Trump who can be gruff and erratic in public … Unlike Obama, Trump defers to generals’ advice on military strategy … (Associated Press/File) more > …. Thomas McInerney, a veteran of Pentagon bureaucracy wars, said he believes Mr. Trump learned to love the military as a cadet at the …

            98 percent of Republican military veterans approve of Donald Trump …

            http://www.washingtontimes.com/…/98-percent-of-republican-military-veterans-approve/May 29, 2017 – President Trump has some unwavering support from a very unique demographic: Republican military veterans. An extensive new Pew

          15. bobnstuff says:

            We are now seven months into the Trump presidency and he has yet to make any major changes in Afghanistan or for that matter Iraq. I guess that must mean he agrees with Obama’s actions. Dropping one bomb in Afghanistan isn’t a change in policy. Your 98% of republican vets support Trump. What about the other vet? You left out the fact that his total approval rating with vets is only 54%.

          16. Tiger says:

            LOLOLOL How can you be so stupid? Trump won get over it.

          17. bobnstuff says:

            Yes we now have a Nazi sympathizers as president. Trump won and America lost.

          18. Tiger says:

            Prove it. Show me where he ever backed any Nazi. Again your stupidity is stupendous, or stupidouos. You do know that the Ult-Left has been behind every single riot for years? You do know that they are still behind every single riot and protest, during the elections and up to now. You do know that it was the Ult-Left who arrived and caused the violence? That goes without saying. The Facts are in.

            You also don’t understand that the Nazi influence is in the Ult-Left, they are using the exact same tactics as Hitler did to bring his case to the German people, to annihilate the Jews. He blamed them for every problem in Germany, he set them up as the villains. Just like you are doing here.

            The Ult-Left cannot take itself out of the picture. It is they who are painting the pictures. They are lying, playing on sympathies of people like you who don’t know history and refuse facts. The main media owns the story, they are in charge of what you hear and what they don’t want you to hear.

            Trump was right, good people, like the girl who was killed, just out there for what she believed in, by the way the guy was no White Supremecist he adored Hitler. He also had a long history of mental illeness. Where was your outrage and demanding that the left condemn and name the shooter at the Republican ballpark for what he was? A “Resistance” fighter, incensed by the likes of you and the Left. There were good people in the march who only wanted the statues to stay up, they were not members of any party or thought.

            You people are the problem and Trump needs to take your leaders, Hillary, Obama, Soros and Moore out using our laws against promoting and inciting violence to overthrow our POTUS and our government.

          19. bobnstuff says:

            “Bannon, though, was not an experienced political strategist. He was the head of Breitbart News. Just a few months ago, he openly bragged that under his leadership he transformed Breitbart into “the platform of the alt-right movement.” Those are his words — not from some distant past, but from this past July.”

            Who is the alt-right? You say them on TV this weekend. This is the group Bannon gave a voice to.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433650/alt-rights-racism-moral-rot

          20. Tiger says:

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          21. bobnstuff says:

            Crowd on Demand doesn’t seem to know much about that ad and even if it is true what difference does it make? One of the groups there was prepared for violence.

          22. Tiger says:

            You mother f’n lying sack of shit hope you get lice in your crotch. You filthy bastard.

          23. bobnstuff says:

            I guess your mother didn’t bother to teach you manners. You might notice I chose the National Review because that way you can’t say they yer a left wing rag. It’s Bannon’s own words that hang him though. I’m sorry for your lose.

          24. bobnstuff says:

            I don’t waste my time on Info wars. Trump had nothing to do with the new carrier, Obama could have canceled it but understood that it was the next gen carrier just like he has supported the new fighter, the new general purpose vehicle, the new sub, the new tank, revamping all our nukes but more important the lack of body bags. As I pointed out Trump talks a good game but in fact has done nothing. Trump did do one thing, he told the world where one of our aircraft carriers was in the Sea of Japan.

          25. Tiger says:

            A list of everything Donald Trump has done so far as President

            He pledged to create jobs, secure borders and broker new
            deals – here’s a day-by-day look at what Donald Trump has done during
            his first 100 days as US President.

            Day 96

            :: Federal judge blocks order withholding funds from communities that limit co-operation with US immigration

            Day 95

            :: New sanctions announced against Syrian government following chemical weapons attack, but ground troops ruled out

            :: Claims he was sending “armada” to North Korea, but USS Carl Vinson battle group was actually heading the other way

            Day 84

            :: Authorises use of “mother of all bombs” targeting IS militants in Afghanistan

            :: Signs legislation allowing states to withhold federal funding from Planned Parenthood

            Day 83

            :: Claims NATO is “no longer obsolete”

            Day 74

            :: Warns China that the US will “solve the (North Korea) problem without them”

            Day 81

            :: Neil Gorsuch sworn in as Supreme Court justice

            Day 76

            :: Authorises missile strikes against Syrian regime

            :: Strategist Steve Bannon removed from National Security Council

            Day 72

            :: Walks out of Oval Office without signing executive orders on trade after questioning on Michael Flynn

            Day 71

            :: White House releases financial disclosures for more than 100 top staffers

            :: Says former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn should ask for immunity over Russia influence claims

            Day 69

            :: Ivanka Trump becomes an assistant to the President in the White House

            Day 68

            :: Signs Energy Independence executive order, dismantling Obama environmental regulations

            Day 67

            :: Announces Jared Kushner will head White House Office of American Innovation

            :: Jared Kushner to be questioned over Trump administration ties with Russia

            Day 65

            :: Claims the Affordable Care Act will “explode” after setback over replacing it

            Day 64

            :: Signs permit for builder TransCanada to build Keystone XL pipeline

            Day 63

            :: Republicans postpone vote on replacement for Affordable Care Act

            Day 61

            :: Ivanka Trump given West Wing office

            Day 60

            :: FBI director James Comey and NSA director Admiral Michael Rogers testify on Russian interference in US election and wiretapping claims

            Day 58

            :: Claims Germany owes “vast sums” to NATO

            Day 57

            :: Meets for talks with German Chancellor Angela Merkel

            :: Says wiretap claim was just him repeating someone else’s allegations

            :: Secret Service laptop containing Trump Tower floor plan stolen

            Day 56

            :: Senate Intelligence Committee confims “no indication” of surveillance of any kind at Trump Tower

            :: GCHQ says claims it was behind surveillance “utterly ridiculous”

            Day 55

            :: Federal judge in Hawaii puts second travel ban on hold

            :: House Intelligence Committee says it has received no evidence of wiretapping

            :: Dan Coats confirmed as director of national intelligence

            Day 54

            :: Portion of Mr Trump’s 2005 tax return leaked

            Day 52

            :: House Intelligence Committee asks for evidence of Trump Tower wiretapping

            Day 50

            :: Intruder arrested after scaling outer White House perimeter fence

            Day 46

            :: Signs new executive order imposing a 90-day ban on visas from six mostly Muslim nations. Iraq is excluded.

            :: House Republicans release bill to dismantle Affordable Care Act

            Day 45

            :: Calls for Congress to investigating wiretapping claims

            Day 44

            :: Claims Barack Obama tapped phones in Trump Tower before the election, which the former president denies

            Day 43

            :: President Trump calls for an investigation into Democrats Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi as row over administration ties to Russia continues

            Day 42

            :: Attorney General Jeff Sessions recuses himself from investigations surrounding Mr Trumps’ campaign

            :: Ben Carson confirmed as secretary of the Department of House and Urban Development

            :: Former Texas governor Rick Perry confirmed as energy secretary

            Day 40

            :: Delivers first address before Congress

            Day 39

            :: Wilbur Ross confirmed as commerce secretary

            Day 38

            :: Philip Bilden, Mr Trump’s choice for secretary of the Navy, withdraws

            Day 34

            :: Revokes guidelines allowing transgender students to use bathrooms of their choice

            Day 32

            :: Lieutenant General HR McMaster named as national security adviser and Keith Kellogg becomes chief of staff for national security

            :: Tells a rally “looks what’s happening last night in Sweden” while talking about past terror attacks in Europe

            Day 29

            :: Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt confirmed as Environmental Protection Agency chief

            Day 28

            :: Launches blistering attack on the media in speech lasting more than an hour

            :: Claims his White House is a “fine-tuned machine” while answering media questions

            :: Announces intention to produce new executive order on travel ban

            :: Lawyer Alexander Acosta announced as labour secretary nominee

            Day 27

            :: Andrew Puzder, President Trump’s pick for labour secretary, withdraws

            :: Criticises US intelligence agencies on Twitter over claims about campaign officials contact with Russian intelligence

            :: Calls for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to freeze the construction of settlements

            Day 25

            :: National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigns over calls with Russian ambassador

            :: Venezuela vice president Tareck El Aissami sanctioned by US as “drug trafficker”

            :: Steven Mnuchin confirmed as treasury secretary by Senate

            Day 23

            :: Hosts Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at his resort in Florida

            Day 22

            :: Indicates he may sign a new travel ban order

            :: Tom Price confirmed as health and human services secretary

            :: Meets with Japan Prime Minister Shinzo Abe

            :: Backs “one China” policy in call with Chinese President Xi Jinping

            Day 21

            :: 9th Circuit Court of Appeals announces it will not reinstate travel ban

            :: President Trump pledges to continue the legal battle, tweeting “see you in court”

            :: Signs three executive orders on law enforcement – targeting violent crime and criminal drug cartels

            :: Criticises Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal, who revealed Mr Gorsuch’s concerns over judge comments

            Day 20

            :: Hits out at retailer Nordstrom after it drops his daughter Ivanka’s clothing line

            :: Supreme Court pick Neil Gorsuch criticises Mr Trump’s comments on judges

            :: Jeff Sessions confirmed as attorney general

            Day 19

            :: Besty DeVos narrowly confirmed as secretary of education

            Day 18

            :: Claims any negative polls that indicate he has a poor approval rating are “fake news”

            :: States of Minnesota and Washington say restoring travel ban would “unleash chaos again”

            :: Claims media are covering up or under-reporting terror attacks

            Day 17

            :: Announces Mike Pence will head up commission on mass voter fraud in 2016 election

            Day 16

            :: Tweets that travel ban ruling “will be overturned” as he criticises judge

            Day 15

            :: Appeal court rejects formal request to reinstate travel ban

            Day 14

            :: Imposed sanctions on Iran following ballistic missile test

            :: Signed an executive order to review 2010 Dodd-Frank law on financial regulation

            :: Judge imposes nationwide halt on travel ban

            :: White House issues intention to file “emergency stay of this outrageous order”

            Day 13

            :: Puts Iran “on notice” over ballistic missile test

            :: Rex Tillerson confirmed as US Secretary of State

            Day 12

            :: Nominates Neil Gorsuch for US Supreme Court

            :: Travel ban softened to allow some 872 refugees to enter the US

            :: Elaine Chao confirmed as transportation secretary

            Day 11

            :: Signs an executive order reducing federal regulation red tape – agencies must cut two regulations for each new rule

            :: Fires acting attorney general Sally Yates after she defied him over travel ban

            :: Fires acting director of US immigration and customs enforcement Daniel Ragsdale. No reason given

            Day 10

            :: Remains defiant as senior Republicans criticise travel ban

            :: Confusion remains over conflicting advice on who is affected by the travel ban

            :: Signs three executive orders, two on lobbying bans and one directing generals to form a plan to defeat IS

            :: Raid against apparent al Qaeda operatives takes place in Yemen. One Navy Seal is killed in the operation

            Day Nine

            :: Defends immigration ban amid confusion at airports and protests in US cities

            :: Prime Minister Theresa May comes under pressure to cancel a state visit later this year

            :: Holds hour-long phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin on topics including Islamic State and Syria

            Day Eight

            :: Holds talks with Theresa May at the White House

            :: The two are pictured holding hands while walking to a news conference

            :: State visit to the UK for Mr Trump and First Lady announced

            :: Signs executive order to suspend refugee arrivals and impose “extreme vetting” on arrivals from seven Muslim countries.

            :: Holds phone call with Mexico President Enrique Pena Nieto

            Day Seven

            :: Theresa May flies to the US, where she addresses the Republican Retreat in Philadelphia

            :: Makes first trip as President on Air Force One

            :: Claims a 20% tax on imports could fund the Mexico wall

            :: Mexico President Enrique Pena Nieto cancels visit to Washington; Mr Trump later claims decision was mutual

            Day Six

            :: Signs an executive order to authorise construction of border wall with Mexico

            :: Signs an executive order calling for newly expanded force to sweep up those in the country illegally

            Day Five

            :: Signs executive order to move ahead with construction of Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines

            :: Claims millions of illegal immigrants cast fraudulent votes during the election

            :: James Comey retained as director of the FBI

            :: Government staff at various agencies banned from talking to the press

            Day Four

            :: Mike Pompeo sworn in as director of the CIA

            :: Signs executive order withdrawing the US from the Trans-Pacific Partnership

            :: Press secretary Sean Spicer tells media: “Our intention is never to lie to you.”

            :: Reinstates “global gag rule” banning US funding for international organisations that perform abortions

            Day Three

            :: Claims 31 million people watched his inauguration

            :: 30 senior White House staffers inducted, including Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner

            Day Two

            :: Visits CIA where he dismisses claims of a feud with intelligence agencies

            :: Huge protests take place in Washington DC and other US cities and around the world as part of Women’s March

            :: Sean Spicer accuses media of “lying” about inauguration crowds

            Day One – Inauguration Day

            :: Donald Trump is sworn is as the 45th President of the United States of America

            :: Promises to put “America first” in inauguration speech

            :: Tear gas and stun grenades used during violent protests in Washington DC

            :: Signs a waiver to allow General James Mattis to serve as defence secretary

            :: Plans for a missile defence system to protect against attacks from Iran and North Korea revealed

            :: Signs an executive order aimed at “minimising the economic burden” of Obamacare:: References to climate change removed fro

          26. bobnstuff says:

            Thank you for proving my point. He has been adding jobs at the same rate as Obama, The market has go up 10% which is about the average under Obama. He approved pipelines that aren’t needed or even wanted now and that will create 50 to 100 jobs while risking the water of millions of people. He exited the TPP which would have helped our farmers and is now looks like it will be in the new NATFA agreement. When he pulled us out of the TPP we also handed over the leadership to other countries and weaked us when it comes to trade in the far east. The other world leaders have zero respect for him, they don’t trust him, in fact Putin is more trusted then he is. He lost our seat at the climate talks. He has asked for reduced regulations on businesses but in fact very few have been lifted. He put a freeze on hiring but also left us shot handed in the state department so we have no ambassadors in major nations. Name one thing Trump has done to rebuild or military, just one. Everything he is trying to take credit for was put in place by the last president or in some cases the one before that. Also just how did he defeat ISIS, he made no major changes in our part of the war. He has weakened our power in world affairs. Just how did he protect law enforcement? Most major law organizations just came out against his last stupid statement about how to treat those arrested. Any respect they may have had for him is long gone. Face it he has done very little and tried to take credit for a lot of things other have done. He talks a lot but has no plan, and has no allies in congress anymore. Even the military has put him in his place.

            There is no win here just a lot of hot air.

          27. Tiger says:

            He has done nothing like Obama and you can’t read. He has taken apart everything Obama put into place.

            Congress was against him from the start. They are all One World Order people.

            Hillary, Soros, Obama and Moore need to be prosecuted for the “Resistance” a Coup.

            U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2385

            18 U.S. Code § 2385 – Advocating overthrow of Government

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            Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets,
            advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of
            overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the
            government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or
            the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or
            violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government;
            or

            Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or
            destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues,
            circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or
            printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity,
            desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government
            in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

            Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to
            organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate,
            or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by
            force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any
            such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes
            thereof—

            Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
            more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment
            by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five
            years next following his conviction.

            If two or more persons conspire to commit any
            offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or
            imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible
            for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof,
            for the five years next following his conviction.

          28. bobnstuff says:

            You are funny. I needed a good laugh today. I don’t suppose you have any real proof of any thing. I mean like facts not the crap from Info wars. You know the guy that drinks shakes made from chicken bones.

          29. Tiger says:

            I gave you the facts you are the funny feller, only you are not amusing your are sad.

          30. Tiger says:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgJzETUFdNM

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Frtoz_oRc

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saD4cx8QfqI

            Trump signs bills to help police officers, veterans

            Trump signs bills to help police officers, veterans

            Published
            June 02, 2017

            Fox News

            President Trump said Friday he was
            “very happy” to sign into law two bills that would provide help to
            members of law enforcement and veterans.

            Seated at a table in the White
            House’s Diplomatic Reception Room, Trump approved a measure giving
            priority for federal grants to those federal and state law enforcement
            agencies that hire and train veterans.

            “We are behind you 100 percent,” he said to the public safety officers and vets at the ceremony.

            The American Law Enforcement Heroes Act and the
            Public Safety Officers’ Benefits Improvement Act is the product of a
            bipartisan effort by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Sen. Amy Klobuchar,
            D-Minn.

            The second measure – the Public Safety Officers’
            Benefits Improvement Act – takes steps to reduce the backlog of families
            awaiting approval of survivor benefits of public safety officers killed
            in the line of duty.

            Trump said it was “unacceptable” that injured
            officers have suffered and that children of fallen officers have had to
            put off their dreams of college.

            The bill, co-sponsored by Sen. Chuck Grassley,
            R-Iowa, and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., gives state and local
            officials determine eligibility and will allow beneficiaries to track
            their claims online.

            The Public Safety Officers’ Benefits program was
            established by Congress in 1976 to financially assist survivors of
            officers killed in the line of duty, bit many families face long waiting
            periods to receive their benefits.

            According to the latest data, there were 756 active claims before the PSOB Office at the end of March 2017.

            Both bills passed Congress in May

            Published
            June 02, 2017

            Fox News

            President Trump said Friday he was
            “very happy” to sign into law two bills that would provide help to
            members of law enforcement and veterans.

            Seated at a table in the White
            House’s Diplomatic Reception Room, Trump approved a measure giving
            priority for federal grants to those federal and state law enforcement
            agencies that hire and train veterans.

            “We are behind you 100 percent,” he said to the public safety officers and vets at the ceremony.

            The American Law Enforcement Heroes Act and the
            Public Safety Officers’ Benefits Improvement Act is the product of a
            bipartisan effort by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Sen. Amy Klobuchar,
            D-Minn.

            The second measure – the Public Safety Officers’
            Benefits Improvement Act – takes steps to reduce the backlog of families
            awaiting approval of survivor benefits of public safety officers killed
            in the line of duty.

            Trump said it was “unacceptable” that injured
            officers have suffered and that children of fallen officers have had to
            put off their dreams of college.

            The bill, co-sponsored by Sen. Chuck Grassley,
            R-Iowa, and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., gives state and local
            officials determine eligibility and will allow beneficiaries to track
            their claims online.

            The Public Safety Officers’ Benefits program was
            established by Congress in 1976 to financially assist survivors of
            officers killed in the line of duty, bit many families face long waiting
            periods to receive their benefits.

            According to the latest data, there were 756 active claims before the PSOB Office at the end of March 2017.

            Both bills passed Congress in May

          31. bobnstuff says:

            The New Air Force One was ordered in Feb 2015.

          32. Tiger says:

            It was renegotiated by Trump and the cost came down.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrposIytgoE

          33. bobnstuff says:

            Once again you didn’t get the whole story and what you did get was wrong. Trump can’t cancel the order for two very good reasons. One is he’s president and the spending of money isn’t one of his powers. It’s the house that controls spending. Second there is on contract yet on the final plane. The final cost isn’t known yet and as of right now it looks like it will be around $3 billion but that number isn’t set yet. All Trump did was make a speech and he changed nothing.
            http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-threatens-cancel-air-force-one-order-boeing-stock-slips-n692511

          34. Tiger says:

            No you didn’t get it but you never do.

          35. bobnstuff says:

            You and Trump have one thing in common, facts don’t matter. You can get a price dropped that hasn’t even been established yet.

          36. Tiger says:

            Japan ready to protect Guam, defense minister says | Fox News
            http://www.foxnews.com/world/…/japan-ready-to-protect-guam-defense-minister-says.htmlAug 10, 2017 – In the event of a North Korean nuclear attack on Guam, Japan’s new defense minister said Thursday that his country’s military could shoot down the … North Korea’s government in Pyongyang responded by accusing Trump of “going senile. … Kim Jong Un appears to back down after Mattis, Trump warnings …
            Japan says it will shoot down North Korean missiles targeting Guam …
            globalnews.ca/news/3660038/north-korea-missile-japan-shoot-down/Aug 10, 2017 – Japan says it will shoot down North Korean missiles targeting Guam … to defend U.S. and other allies when they come under enemy attack.

          37. bobnstuff says:

            And…. You do know that agreement is like 60 years old. As far as shooting down a missile, it isn’t a very reliable thing to do.

          38. bobnstuff says:

            Once again you didn’t listen to the dates on things. It’s been over a year since the changed policy on their missile defense and they have had a mutual defense treaty pretty much since WW II. Trump can’t take credit for this either.

          39. Tiger says:

            Shove it Bob I have had enough of you, my sympathies to your wife.

          40. Tiger says:

            They pay you too much. You aren’t worth 2 cents convincing anyone Trump is no good. LOLOL

        2. Retired says:

          It happened every time the Democrats were in control , but Obama was the worst one next to Billy Boy Clinton .

          1. Tiger says:

            Oh the military hated Billy. I remember going on deploys to some of our major bases and they said he wasn’t welcome on any of them. One has to wonder why these people would want the One World Order when we have such a beautiful country, such good laws and a wonderful Republic. Can’t figure why they hate it so much, when all of them have succeeded due to the freedoms afforded them in this country.

  • bobnstuff says:

    It’s hard to know who to believe. I want to believe the generals are running the game and will keep thing under control. Trump keep pushing as if he wants war and Kim being Kim puts up a defiant face saying it’s all our fault for threatening his country for the last 60 years and that he has a right to defend his country. the question is are we really that close to war or is this just the new business as usual. I’m not sure Kim is all that crazy. He knows that if he attacks for real it’s the end of him and his country. A nuke in this case is only a symbol and has no practical use. For Kim to hold power he needs to put on a show that will convince his people that they need him as a strong man against the world. Without an enemy to focus on his people might realize how bad things are and demand changes. Trump is using Kim and North Korea to distract the American people from all his problems. He needs to put on the strong man act as well to keep his people in line. After all he is standing up to Kim. It the cat standing up to the mouse in this case. The mouse may have teeth but it would be lucky to get even one bite. Kim would have one shot and that’s with a gun he doesn’t even know if it will go off or if it can hit anything. I’m sure his generals are in no more of a hurry for war then ours. Lets hope the generals are running the game

    1. Ron says:

      It almost sounds as if you are advocating for a military coup. If so, be VERY careful what you wish for!

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Trump refers to the generals as his generals so if anyone is advocating for a military take over it’s out fearless leader. In this case you have professionals who know their jobs and understand how things are in the real world when it comes to war and then you have the Don and Kim show.

        1. gvette says:

          I remember when your gay Musilm was in. He fired all the generals!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Who cares? Mattis is the only one fired that is back and he hated Obama and made on secrete of the fact. I’m pretty sure Trump would fire someone who hated him.

          2. gvette says:

            As always, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

            Here is the list of our military elite who have been purged or fired under Obama:

            Commanding Generals fired:

            · General John R. Allen-U.S. Marines Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] (Nov 2012)

            · Major General Ralph Baker (2 Star)-U.S. Army Commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn in Africa (April 2013)

            · Major General Michael Carey (2 Star)-U.S. Air Force Commander of the 20th US Air Force in charge of 9,600 people and 450 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (Oct 2013)

            · Colonel James Christmas-U.S. Marines Commander 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit & Commander Special-Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force Crisis Response Unit (July 2013)

            · Major General Peter Fuller-U.S. Army Commander in Afghanistan (May 2011)

            · Major General Charles M.M. Gurganus-U.S. Marine Corps Regional Commander of SW and I Marine Expeditionary Force in Afghanistan (Oct 2013)

            · General Carter F. Ham-U.S. Army African Command (Oct 2013)

            · Lieutenant General David H. Huntoon (3 Star), Jr.-U.S. Army 58th Superintendent of the US Military Academy at West Point, NY (2013)

            · Command Sergeant Major Don B Jordan-U.S. Army 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command (suspended Oct 2013)

            · General James Mattis-U.S. Marines Chief of CentCom (May 2013)

            · Colonel Daren Margolin-U.S. Marine in charge of Quantico’s Security Battalion (Oct 2013)

            · General Stanley McChrystal-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (June 2010)

            · General David D. McKiernan-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (2009)

            · General David Petraeus-Director of CIA from September 2011 to November 2012 & U.S. Army Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] and Commander U.S. Forces Afghanistan [USFOR-A] (Nov 2012)

            · Brigadier General Bryan Roberts-U.S. Army Commander 2nd Brigade (May 2013)

            · Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant-U.S. Marine Corps Director of Strategic Planning and Policy for the U.S. Pacific Command & Commander of Aviation Wing at Camp Bastion, Afghanistan (Sept 2013)

            · Colonel Eric Tilley-U.S. Army Commander of Garrison Japan (Nov 2013)

            · Brigadier General Bryan Wampler-U.S. Army Commanding General of 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command of the 1st Theater Sustainment Command [TSC] (suspended Oct 2013)

            Commanding Admirals fired:

            · Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette-U.S. Navy Commander John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group Three (Oct 2012)

            · Vice Admiral Tim Giardina(3 Star, demoted to 2 Star)-U.S. Navy Deputy Commander of the US Strategic Command, Commander of the Submarine Group Trident, Submarine Group 9 and Submarine Group 10 (Oct 2013)

            Naval Officers fired: (All in 2011)

            · Captain David Geisler-U.S. Navy Commander Task Force 53 in Bahrain (Oct 2011)

            · Commander Laredo Bell-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Support Activity Saratoga Springs, NY (Aug 2011)

            · Lieutenant Commander Kurt Boenisch-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)

            · Commander Nathan Borchers-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Stout (Mar 2011)

            · Commander Robert Brown-U.S. Navy Commander Beachmaster Unit 2 Fort Story, VA (Aug 2011)

            · Commander Andrew Crowe-Executive Officer Navy Region Center Singapore (Apr 2011)

            · Captain Robert Gamberg-Executive Officer carrier Dwight D. Eisenhower (Jun 2011)

            · Captain Rex Guinn-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Legal Service office Japan (Feb 2011)

            · Commander Kevin Harms- U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 137 aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln (Mar 2011)

            · Lieutenant Commander Martin Holguin-U.S. Navy Commander mine countermeasures Fearless (Oct 2011)

            · Captain Owen Honors-U.S. Navy Commander aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (Jan 2011)

            · Captain Donald Hornbeck-U.S. Navy Commander Destroyer Squadron 1 San Diego

            (Apr 2011)

            · Rear Admiral Ron Horton-U.S. Navy Commander Logistics Group, Western Pacific

            (Mar 2011)

            · Commander Etta Jones-U.S. Navy Commander amphibious transport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)

            · Commander Ralph Jones-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock Green Bay (Jul 2011)

            · Commander Jonathan Jackson-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 134, deployed aboard carrier Carl Vinson (Dec 2011)

            · Captain Eric Merrill-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Emory S. Land (Jul 2011)

            · Captain William Mosk-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Station Rota, U.S. Navy Commander Naval Activities Spain (Apr 2011)

            · Commander Timothy Murphy-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 129 at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, WA (Apr 2011)

            · Commander Joseph Nosse-U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine Kentucky (Oct 2011)

            · Commander Mark Olson-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer The Sullivans FL (Sep 2011)

            · Commander John Pethel-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock New York (Dec 2011)

            · Commander Karl Pugh-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 141 Whidbey Island, WA (Jul 2011)

            · Commander Jason Strength-U.S. Navy Commander of Navy Recruiting District Nashville, TN (Jul 2011)

            · Captain Greg Thomas-U.S. Navy Commander Norfolk Naval Shipyard (May 2011)

            · Commander Mike Varney-U.S. Navy Commander attack submarine Connecticut (Jun 2011)

            · Commander Jay Wylie-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Momsen (Apr 2011)

            Naval Officers fired: (All in 2012):

            · Commander Alan C. Aber-Executive Officer Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron 71 (July 2012)

            · Commander Derick Armstrong- U.S. Navy Commander missile destroyer USS The Sullivans (May 2012)

            · Commander Martin Arriola- U.S. Navy Commander destroyer USS Porter (Aug 2012)

            · Captain Antonio Cardoso- U.S. Navy Commander Training Support Center San Diego (Sep 2012)

            · Captain James CoBell- U.S. Navy Commander Oceana Naval Air Station’s Fleet Readiness Center Mid-Atlantic (Sep 2012)

            · Captain Joseph E. Darlak- U.S. Navy Commander frigate USS Vandegrift (Nov 2012)

            · Captain Daniel Dusek-U.S. Navy Commander USS Bonhomme

            · Commander David Faught-Executive Officer destroyer Chung-Hoon (Sep 2012)

            · Commander Franklin Fernandez- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 24 (Aug 2012)

            · Commander Ray Hartman- U.S. Navy Commander Amphibious dock-landing ship Fort McHenry (Nov 2012)

            · Commander Shelly Hakspiel-Executive Officer Navy Drug Screening Lab San Diego (May 2012)

            · Commander Jon Haydel- U.S. Navy Commander USS San Diego (Mar 2012)

            · Commander Diego Hernandez- U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine USS Wyoming (Feb 2012)

            · Commander Lee Hoey- U.S. Navy Commander Drug Screening Laboratory, San Diego (May 2012)

            · Commander Ivan Jimenez-Executive Officer frigate Vandegrift (Nov 2012)

            · Commander Dennis Klein- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Columbia (May 2012)

            · Captain Chuck Litchfield- U.S. Navy Commander assault ship USS Essex (Jun 2012)

            · Captain Marcia Kim Lyons- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic New England (Apr 2012)

            · Captain Robert Marin- U.S. Navy Commander cruiser USS Cowpens (Feb 2012)

            · Captain Sean McDonell- U.S. Navy Commander Seabee reserve unit Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 14 FL (Nov 2012)

            · Commander Corrine Parker- U.S. Navy Commander Fleet Logistics Support Squadron 1 (Apr 2012)

            · Captain Liza Raimondo- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic Patuxent River, MD (Jun 2012)

            · Captain Jeffrey Riedel- Program manager, Littoral Combat Ship program (Jan 2012)

            · Commander Sara Santoski- U.S. Navy Commander Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron 15 (Sep 2012)

            · Commander Kyle G. Strudthoff-Executive Officer Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 25 (Sep 2012)

            · Commander Sheryl Tannahill- U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Nashville, TN (Sep 2012)

            · Commander Michael Ward- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Pittsburgh (Aug 2012)

            · Captain Michael Wiegand- U.S. Navy Commander Southwest Regional Maintenance Center (Nov 2012)

            · Captain Ted Williams- U.S. Navy Commander amphibious command ship Mount Whitney (Nov 2012)

            · Commander Jeffrey Wissel- U.S. Navy Commander of Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron 1 (Feb 2012)

            Naval Officers fired: (All in 2013):

            · Lieutenant Commander Lauren Allen-Executive Officer submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)

            · Reserve Captain Jay Bowman-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Fort Dix, NJ (Mar 2013)

            · Captain William Cogar-U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Mercy’s medical treatment facility (Sept 2013)

            · Commander Steve Fuller-Executive Officer frigate Kauffman (Mar 2013)

            · Captain Shawn Hendricks-Program Manager for naval enterprise IT networks (June

          3. bobnstuff says:

            How many are back on active duty? Mattis is it and he isn’t in the military anymore.

          4. gvette says:

            Your nigger weakened our military. You mentioned one that got let go. I gave you a list. The point. You don’t ever know what you’re talking about. That’s probably why people on these threads, don’t much care about what you say.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            I guess you didn’t check why those good people were dismissed did you. I did and those reasons are why they weren’t brought back. The point is I checked and you use repeat the RWNJ line.
            https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/03/24/president-obama-purge-military/
            Also would you say these people were loyal to their Commander an Chief. As far as weakening our military you once again are spouting the party line. Over the last ten years we have had the beginnings of a major overhaul of our military. New aircraft, new tank, new vehicles, new subs, new aircraft carrier new battle ships and an expanse of the drones. We have a lean clean fighting force stronger then any other on earth.

          6. gvette says:

            LMAO..I almost fell out of my chair on that one.
            Brian Dunning, creator of the Skeptoid, sentenced to 15 months in jail for fraud. DemonRATS love to get news from frauds! Yes, I did the research. You’re still a loser Bob!

          7. Retired says:

            Many were trumped up charges which forced them into retirement and they could be brought back if the need arises . that is the part you do NOT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND with your tunnel vision .

          8. bobnstuff says:

            They were dead wood and useless. That’s why they haven’t been missed. Go check their records. Not just where the were stations but what they did.

          9. Retired says:

            I only get the Military news daily since I was in and got out .

          10. bobnstuff says:

            To bad you haven’t read it.

          11. Retired says:

            Oh but I do ,plus live near a large base and read other things to keep up to date .Something you should try instead of playing silly games here .

          12. bobnstuff says:

            You have no clue of the things I read and the people I spend time with. Unlike you In know what new equipment is in the pipeline, my cousin sells arms to the military. You should here the story of how he sold the military the M1 Abrams. I also have friends that worked on the design of the Virginia class sub. My aunt spent her work life in a funny shaped building, It’s call the Pentagon. You see I do get around a bit. My list of friend in and around the military is pretty large. I get to hear about the problems as well. We have a large problem right now with our military, that’s the quality of the recruits. They keep having to lower the standards in order to get the numbers they need. As the military moves more and more into high tech the people going in as less and less able to do the job. For generations my family has provide leadership in the military but as of right now not one of the next generation has gone into the military and I don’t blame them. Our country no longer fights to freedom or right but instead we fight for oil. You complain about Obama and how he ran the military but at least he was in no hurry to send in people to die. Trump doesn’t seem to have that problem.

          13. Retired says:

            bobnbullshitsky strikes again .You have no knowledge of the damage Clinton and Obama along with Democrats did . You have so much bullsh!t that it is flooding your area . Time to Call FEMA !

          14. bobnstuff says:

            No substance just words. Your typical post.

          15. Retired says:

            You should not brag about yourself like that , you are like AKnoLady just babble a lot of Bullshitsky .

          16. bobnstuff says:

            We don’t have to worry about you bragging since you do nothing have done nothing and know nothing. Oh and hanging out at the NC bar on base doesn’t make you a military expert.

          17. Retired says:

            You can not get anything right it’s the OC . , AKnoLady . Next you will be telling us you

          18. bobnstuff says:

            None of my family has worked in the White House. When we went through my great aunts stuff we found a personal invitation from Nixon to attend something at the White House but that as close as we have come so far.

          19. Retired says:

            The pentagon wastes more defense Dept. money than the Military itself , most that work there are from Crystal city where your cousin is . Remember that is where Cheney came from .

          20. Retired says:

            His computers do not show that , plus he forgets once commissioned it is for life unless you was thrown out of the military for a major offence .

          21. gvette says:

            Originally we were talking about the hundreds Obama purged out of the military. He didn’t believe it, Bob, being Bob, that’s why I showed the list, and that wasn’t the whole list.

          22. bobnstuff says:

            Go check why they left instead of believing the stories. The military is well ride of these people.

          23. bobnstuff says:

            I looked at your sight and it is pure BS. Here is a good example. Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely Supported US Army Lieutenant Colonel Terrance Lee Lakin in his refusal to deploy to Afghanistan based on Lakin’s claim that President Barack Obama had no legitimacy as commander in chief. In other words he supported treason.

          24. gvette says:

            LMAO…you looked at the site. It lists the all those that limp wrist Barry purged. You spent too much time on the snotty end of Omuslims fuck stick.

          25. Retired says:

            He kneels to get at it for O juice .

          26. gvette says:

            Him, and a lot of other ignorant DemonRATS!

          27. Retired says:

            You are right , one of my sites is Military .com , and it keeps us informed . The same thing happened under every Democrat just Obama was the worst and Bill Clinton did the same .

          28. Retired says:

            Here you go talking bullshitsky again without a clue unless it is on one of your computers . Obama did like all other Demon Rats in control lower the number in the military while China is in a big build up .

          29. bobnstuff says:

            You mean while China was beating us in the market place. So mister know it all how big is the Chinese military, not man power but weapons.

          30. Retired says:

            Bigger than you could comprehend .

          31. bobnstuff says:

            http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=united-states-of-america
            Here are some facts for you They are number three in military power, we are number one.

          32. Retired says:

            Well they are ahead of Russia so who is No.2

          33. bobnstuff says:

            Nope, Russia is number 2.
            Go to the link.

          34. Retired says:

            Your computer info is outdated , just like you .

        2. itsfun says:

          You are losing this debate Bob. The President has backed down the idiot in North Korea. Our nation can’t keep doing what Obama did. He backed down from his word, gave in to all demands and made our country a laughing stock. No one is laughing at President Trump.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Just what demand did he give in on? He still has his nuke program, and Kim is the one calling the shots. Nothing Trump said or did made any difference. The 30,000 troops on Kim’s border still works as did the Chinese pointing out that if Kim attacked he was on his own. Kim played Trump like a fiddle. Did you know that we are giving aid to NK and Trump never stopped it.

          2. itsfun says:

            Bob: Kim backed down, not President Trump. The President didn’t make any demands on Kim, except not to attack us or Guam. Kim has backed down from that. The only one played like a fiddle was Obama with his red lines and deals.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            Yes Kim backed down, he said he was going to wait to see what Trump does next. He still has his missile program, he still has his Nuke and he still can do anything he wants at any time. So his saying he is not going to attack is a big deal, right. I’m sure he is laughing his butt off right now.

          4. itsfun says:

            I am sure you are wrong. He is not going to attack, because he knows he and north Korea will cease to exist if he messes with President Trump.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            He’s not going to attack, he never was going to attack but he got Trumps goat, didn’t he. Kim’s not going to hurt the balance of power, you see he understands how things work in the world. Trump is still learning. Now Kim can get some of the sanctions lifted, not just the latest ones but some of the older ones to for being a good boy. His friends in China and Russia will see to it. And he gets to keep his nukes.

          6. itsfun says:

            I didn’t realize you know exactly what Kim, the Russians and China will do. You are in the wrong line of business if you know all that. Kim is only making sure he gets to live and see another sunrise. If Obama was still in office then Kim would get all he wants. Heck, Obama would have probably given him Guam.

          7. bobnstuff says:

            If you didn’t know it’s only because you have been paying attention. Both China and Russia have said repeatedly they will defend NK if attacked but that if Kim attacks he’s on his own. Kim and his family have been playing this game for a long time. Kim would have never played this game this way with Obama.

          8. itsfun says:

            Have you paid any attention to the situation. Kim has been sending missiles all over and threatened to bomb Guam. China said if North Korea attacked America, they would stay out of the way. Kim and his family have been getting away with this game against Obama and Bush and Clinton. The game is over, President Trump will not cower and draw meaningless red lines and the world knows it. Aren’t you tired of countries like North Korea and Iran pushing America around?

          9. bobnstuff says:

            How many times has Kim launched a missile that worked? how many Nukes has he had go off? Just how many nukes do you figure he has. There is a very good chance even if Kim wanted to bomb Guam he couldn’t hit it since he has never really hit anything to date. We are lucky that our generals know what they are doing, Since Trump is clueless. North Korea isn’t pushing us around, just Trump. Trump is the one running around like his hair is on fire, his generals and Sec of State aren’t. Kim and his family have been playing the game for a long time, Trump is very green at it and it shows. As far as Iran goes the deal was all about the money, we wanted it. Iran was a penned up market that the US plus a number of other countries wanted into. We need Iran to be part of the world economy. It’s much harder to attack a good customer or your major supplier. The more the nations of the world depend on each other the safer it is.

          10. itsfun says:

            You only hear what you want to hear. Our generals are the ones saying how dangerous North Korea is and how they have a nuclear arsenal now. You just hate our President and will never give him any credit for anything and you also believe everything the fake media tells you to believe. You fail to understand that countries like Iran only understand and respect power and hate. That is the way they have been over 2000 years and being nice to them and kissing their arse won’t change that. You defend a nation that has a goal of death to all infidels, you are a infidel.

          11. bobnstuff says:

            People who give Trump credit get burned in the end. Look at his history. Also you knowledge of the history of Iran is about as good as everything else you say. Do you even know what Iran was called a hundred years ago? You do understand Islam isn’t 2000 years old, right. Go take some world history classes and stop making an ass of yourself.

          12. itsfun says:

            Are you going to make up any more things you say I have said? I said countries like Iran only understand power and hate. Where did I say how old Islam is? Actually who cares? They want to kill both you and me and you ignore that. You are proving yourself to be nothing more than a hater and elitist. You tell half truths and have resorted to name calling because of your complete incompetence and ignorance of the world and the way it is. You see the world as you want it to be, not as it is. You used to be respectful of others and their opinions, however now you have turned into the south end of a north bound horse.

          13. bobnstuff says:

            The people of Iran want our consumer goods. They want to be part of the world. Most of the hate speech comes for a few religious leaders and not from the people. If you look at the people they elect you will see pro westerners who want good relations with the rest of the world.

          14. itsfun says:

            Its the leaders of these nations Bob, not every individual. The people there need to change the way their country works, not you and me. Until then, we can’t just wait for the leaders to murder us and chop of heads, etc.

          15. bobnstuff says:

            The people can’t change thing as long as we keep proving the Ayatollah is right about us. Now tell me something, do you truly believe that we are at any danger from Iran?

          16. itsfun says:

            Any country that has nuclear capabilities is a danger. Iran is doing what they want, are probably financing North Korea nuclear weapons too. Try going to Iran and see how long the ayatollah lets you keep your head.

          17. bobnstuff says:

            A new media report claims North Korea was able to develop its missile system after buying rocket engines on the black market in Ukraine.

            http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Front+Page/75edq1dax/Where-did-North-Korea-get-its-missile-technology.htm

            Now if you want to tour Iran here is what to expect and how to do it. Everything I have read say you will be treated very well as long as you obey their laws.

            https://uncorneredmarket.com/american-travel-iran/

          18. Retired says:

            Are you inside of Trumps head and if you was you could not keep up with his speed and the few hours he sleeps .

          19. bobnstuff says:

            The last place I would ever want to be is inside Trumps head.

          20. Retired says:

            That is right you could not keep up with his pace and mind . You are a sucker just like the media with his tweets .

          21. bobnstuff says:

            The man doesn’t read, he watches TV. He can’t read a speech and doesn’t do briefings. I don’t think I would have much trouble keeping up his pace even right now recovering from a heart attack. Oh and he doesn’t spell any better the I do.

          22. Retired says:

            You are really out of it tonight with your lies and BS . the dear lord gave you a second chance better change your ways or you might not get another chance . Trump is your President like it or not . At least he is not a traitor like we have had in the past decades .

          23. bobnstuff says:

            You are right on one thing he is President even if I don’t like it. As far as his not being a traitor I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

          24. Retired says:

            Nothing to worry about losing the traitors are gone from being in the WH . You are just like the media making a mountain out of a ant hill .

          25. itsfun says:

            What is really sad is you have more respect for Kim then you do for our President.

          26. bobnstuff says:

            Trump liked Kim to, if you remember.

            “You gotta give him credit,” Trump said.

            “How many young guys — he was, like, 26 or 25 when his father died — take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden … he goes in, he takes over, and he’s the boss,” Trump said. “It’s incredible. He wiped out the uncle, he wiped out this one, that one. I mean, this guy doesn’t play games. And we can’t play games with him.”

          27. itsfun says:

            I don’t know if you know the difference, but there is a great difference between liking someone and having respect for someone. The President didn’t say he liked Kim, he just pointed out what Kim will do to get his way. Otherwise don’t underestimate your enemies.

          28. Retired says:

            You are not going to get through that rock head bob !!!

          29. bobnstuff says:

            The whole world is laughing at Trump, everyday in every way. Our allies don’t trust him anymore and even Kim will stand up to him. Do you understand how big a joke Trumps threats to North Korea was. No one ever was going to attack although I’m not sure Trump know that. Kim know it I’m sure. Even our military leaders know it but Trump thinks he knows more then anyone. What a joke.
            https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/16/15816276/trump-turnbull-mock-jokes-world-leaders-implications

          30. itsfun says:

            No one is laughing at the President. The President listens to his trusted advisors. Kim is scared the President will remove him from this earth.

          31. bobnstuff says:

            Kim has known from the beginning Trump can’t touch him. So have our generals. Only Trump believed he had power here. The only way Trump can do anything is if Kim strikes first, that puts Kim in control.

          32. itsfun says:

            What Kim knows is if he attacks, he will disappear from the face of earth. That is all he understands.

          33. bobnstuff says:

            That’s been the case for years, nothing new there. We have 30,000 troops in SK and have since the war. He also knows that if we attack him we are at war with the Chinese and the Russians. The classic Mexican Stand-off.

          34. itsfun says:

            What makes you believe the United States ever intended to attack North Korea before being attacked by them? President Trump said he would match fire with fire, not be the first to attack.

          35. Retired says:

            You left out Iran , Russia would not have sided with them if the Democrats had stopped the push against Russia , another brain attack by Obama and the Clintons . You forget about Biden’s son working for a Ukraine Utility and then there was Mr. Ketchup investing in a fracking Co. that wants to look for Oil in the Ukraine .Then there was honest Reid with his son and a China land deal . All those honest Democrats and you worry about Trumps dealings before he entered the political field .

          36. Retired says:

            China will protect that fat boy till the end , who will be at the North Korea border and China to make sure the sanctions are carried out ???? It will be like our Mexican border anything can cross .

          37. Retired says:

            No, Americans in the US can STOP Kim Boy by not buying anything made in China , that is the only way China will stop him . Bill Clinton could have stopped him but sat on his butt just like Obama .In the mean time China built its Military ten fold and our dummies decreased ours .Everybody makes a big deal about Russia while China walks in the back door .Real smart thinking of you Demon Rats .

          38. bobnstuff says:

            You are truly misinformed. It’s the US that has been wasting money on building a military while places like China has been building a manufacturing economy. You amaze me on how little you know about the armies of the world. While we wasted money on tanks they built factories, while we went to war at places we had no business China took over the leadership in manufacturing. China has two aircraft carriers now, we have twenty. Go check you facts. Now just how would we stop Kim without going to war with China?

          39. Retired says:

            While you was sleeping China built a Missile to keep our carriers at a distance that planes would run out of fuel before getting back .Now tell us how many military ships are in Chinas dry docks and how many planes they have sitting ready to use ??? Why did they Build the Reef military base ,for looks ??? You are a media guppy ! Now Did you forget our Democrats handed China our manufacturing with the controls they put on our industry .You are repeating what I have said a long time ago China will protect North Korea at all cost .

          40. bobnstuff says:

            You knowledge of economics matches you understanding of the military. Here is the our navy.

            Total Naval Assets
            415

            Aircraft Carriers
            19

            Frigates
            8

            Destroyers
            63

            Corvettes
            0

            Submarines
            70

            Patrol Craft
            13

            Mine Warfare Vessels
            11

            Now here is the Chinese Navy

            Total Naval Assets
            714

            Aircraft Carriers
            1

            Frigates
            51

            Destroyers
            35

            Corvettes
            35

            Submarines
            68

            Patrol Craft
            220

            Mine Warfare Vessels
            31

        3. Retired says:

          Can you get any more stupid with your comments .

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