Pence presents new healthcare offer to Freedom Caucus

by PETER SULLIVAN | thehill
April 4, 2017

White House officials presented an offer to the conservative House Freedom Caucus on Monday night as they seek to revive the ObamaCare replacement bill.

Vice President Mike Pence and other White House officials presented an idea to the Freedom Caucus meeting to allow states to choose to apply for waivers to repeal two ObamaCare regulations that conservatives argue are driving up premiums.

Those two regulations detail ObamaCare’s essential health benefits, which mandate which health services insurers must cover, and “community rating,” which prevents insurers from charging sick people higher premiums.

Conservatives had previously called for the bill to repeal those regulations outright, but the deal now being discussed would give states a choice by allowing them to apply for a waiver from the federal government.

104 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • CrustyOldGeezer says:

    Here’s a plan.

    COMPLETELY REPEAL obama care

    Pass a solid TOT REFORM package.

    REMOVE REGULATION so insurance companies can sell their products.

    Tort reform gets rid of the nuisance lawsuits that require doctors to order endless, expensive tests to protect themselves from the CRIMINAL ELEMENT referred to as the Bar Association.


    I looked, NONE of the Enumerated Powers mention insurance.

    In fact. NONE of the Enumerated Powers mention creating endless regulatory agencies that cannot be held ACCOUNTABLE BY THE PEOPLE.

  • Walter Flatt says:





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  • snowyriver says:

    Federal government should get over it.. Government controlled health care is one GIANT step towards Socialism. Health care should be on an “if you want it” basis.. Never on a “do or be punished”

  • Bob Biggs says:

    The main problem! Government has gotten way to big and out of control to many fingers in the pot spoil the broth so to speak. There is no way you can have that many trying to think and decide what everyone is going to do and others to live by those decisions and not have serious repercussions from it. The size of government employees and people in areas that are dug in for a lifetime of rich weath and free rides to the cash cow monthly has grown the taxes payers into a hell of a big fat mess.
    Draining the corruption in the swamp full of snakes and gators is the only way to fix anything in DC. Those of us living in rural America see nothing but rude and corrupt people in those government cash cow so called jobs.

    1. maxx says:

      Congress has always been more of the problem than the person in the Big House. These folks are supposed to be our representatives in front of the federal government. Instead they see themselves as federal government employees controlling us. That mindset needs to be changed even if it takes physical force.

  • Retired says:

    bobnstuff is at it again with his BS stories , should be labeled as a demon Rat Troll.

  • justinwachin says:

    Repeal the Affordable Care Act completely. We saw how well waivers worked when we saw how Lois Lerner handled TEA Party tax exempt applications.

    If individual states want to enact Obamacare they can do so. Get rid of it on the federal level!!!! This shouldn’t be that hard for Republican leadership to comprehend.

    1. ARJAY says:

      TRICK words there; “Republican leadership to comprehend.”

    2. Mary Eleanor Urso says:

      I think, unfortunately, the problem they face is, once an entitlement, always an entitlement. Now that the entitlement loving almost 50% (maybe even more now) of our society has a health care entitlement, if the Republicans vote it out of existence, they will be voting their time in public office out of existence. Sadly, this is a hard nut to crack.

      1. justinwachin says:

        You’re right. It is hard to end an entitlement. There are several things which will reduce the risk: end the requirement for everyone to own insurance, end the requirement for employers to provide health insurance, end the requirement that all health insurance policies conform to the Obamacare standard, and begin to phase out the taxpayer subsidies.

        Removing the insurance requirement will take many out of Obamacare. Allowing insurance companies to offer a variety of plans will help people move from Obamacare to a free market solution. Many of those free market solutions will end up costing less than Obamacare.

        A percentage of the population will be unable to get affordable health insurance due to pre-existing conditions. The government can offer some sort of subsidized plan for those people.

    3. Retired says:

      You forget about Campaign money and the lobbyist. REPEAL

    4. maxx says:

      Repeal it. No law was ever needed in the first place because the Constitution does not give Congress any such authority to use laws to force people to buy anything. Repeal the law and allow all the companies that were driven out of business to sell a reasonable policy facing pure competition across state lines. Put people who can’t afford insurance in risk pools. People that refuse to buy it because they would rather spend their money on other things should pay the consequences instead of being subsidized by the rest of responsible people. Right now these people are being rewarded by the rest of us paying for their coverage. This is not health care this is forced wealth redistribution, the first goal of socialism.

  • Glen says:

    All we want is healthcare!
    Healthcare that we choose.
    Healthcare at an honest price for the services we elect to receive.
    Honest answers for cures Globally available and not what the FDA or Congress thinks we should have. We want the Truth!
    Healthcare with, “NO DEDUCTIBLE period.
    We want and deserve nothing more or nothing less!!!
    No more for profit Insurance companies. Thieves! WE want to pay for Healthcare not someones lifestyle.
    Honest clean medications that will bring health not kill.
    Now is this to much to ask for?

    1. ARJAY says:

      NO, it’s not!!

    2. maxx says:

      In order to get health care/insurance we can afford the health care industry (hospitals, clinics, doctors) will need to be reined in. New gigantic hospital complexes have exploded all across the country. Every single one of them stocked and staffed with every conceivable ten million dollar machine and device possible. This is overkill at it’s most blatant. They do this because they know that insurance companies will pay whatever prices the hospitals and doctors set. If they don’t the individual is on the hook. Somewhere, somehow their fees, as outrageous as they are, get paid. It’s time these institutions finances be carefully scrutinized for what is commonly called “price gouging”. They have a monopoly just as utility companies and they raise their prices and profits with no restrictions whatsoever. Just look around your city and see the facility explosion going on. They are not building hospitals they are building Taj Mahals to themselves and to hell with us little people.

  • ARJAY says:

    Outright REPEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    REPLACE with FREE-MARKET competition across state lines.

    Let people purchase WHAT THEY WANT/NEED, WITHOUT gubbermint MANDATES!!!!!!!!!!!!


    It’s the FREE-MARKET COMPETITION that will make the insurance AFFORDABLE and give the people the coverage they WANT and can AFFORD!!!!

    1. maxx says:

      ObamaCare is and was always intended to use our very lives and control over it as a hammer to enforce “government control” of everything. Government already had control of our entire financial life. They know every cent we earn, have and spend. With government health care they control everything else in our lives. That is what socialism is all about. The “ruling class” aka politicians have made us their subjects and 50% of the population has welcomed it. This is not about health care and never was, IT IS ABOUT GOVERNMENT CONTROL. And now that they have it they will not give it up voluntarily. We don’t want “repeal & replace” they do. We want repeal of an unconstitutional law. We do not want another unconstitutional law to replace it. That is what government wants. That is what Congress wants. Congress is supposed to work for us but that is not how it really is. For all intents and purposes, we work to pay the bills they create and their salaries to screw us over. Not what the Founders intended, at all.

  • FLChristyB says:

    Unless you are getting the Government OUT of the healthcare business, the answer is NO!

    1. pmbalele says:

      How can you accept a health care developed by Pence? Pence IQ is 89. That is why one the provision in Pencecare is defunding Parenthood organizations and therefore no abortions. All women who had abortions will be prosecuted and sent to prisons. That is what Trump pledged during campaigns. I have a solution to health care. Obamacare should be expanded with no out of pocket premiums and no deductibles. Expanding Obamacare funding should come from 0.01 sales tax for every item you purchase except food. What is your plan?

      1. maxx says:

        Ah, the return of the “brain dead liberal TROLL”.

  • CrustyOldGeezer says:

    One of the Conservative Members submitted a one page, one sentence that plainly and simply “uninstalled” obamascare.

  • bobnstuff says:

    Repeal and Replace was the promise. Write a new law that covers everyone who wants insurance at an affordable cost. That was what our President promised more then once. If they create a good bill the Democrats will have to vote for it. If they keep trying to gut the ACA and say it’s a repeal and replace they will get no where. For seven years the republicans have voted to repeal the ACA now they need to put their money where their mouth is.

    1. Rodney Steward says:

      Yours may not be free then!!

      1. bobnstuff says:

        I’m on Medicare so it isn’t free now. Those that get it free will continue to under the republican plans that are on the table right now. It’s the people who make to much for free that need the help. Right now the republican plans help only the very rich and put a lot of good hard working people at risk. The goal is to control the risks for everyone. Gutting the ACA is not the path to that goal. Repeal and replace with a working solution or fix the ACA. Either way would be no easy job. To bad we have the laziest incompetent bunch running the government in history.

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          You should be use to it like every body else, we’ve had these lazy B-TARDS for 8 years !

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Funny thing my health insurance cost went down with the ACA even before I went on Medicare. Now I’m pretty sure it will go up for everyone. It wasn’t the President that was lazy, that’s why after seven years of complaining and trying to repeal the ACA those do nothing republicans that still haven’t come up with a replacement.

          2. Rodney Steward says:

            All I can say is Bob, you must be a legal illegal to have such great Ins. under Opeycare, you’re one of the few!!

          3. bobnstuff says:

            My employer had to roll the prescription coverage into the regular policy saving me $45 per month. The ACA did one other thing for me, it made my wife’s preexisting no longer a problem so I could retire before we went on Medicare. I found a great policy on the Market Place that cost less then I was paying through my employer. Thank you President Obama. Between the ACA and my stocks over doubling I have had a great eight years. You keep complaining about all the things the poor are getting but if you had a 401K with some real money in it you got one heck of a lot more then the few crumbs the poor got. One of my stocks went from $24 to $146 per share. I’m now retired and what look bleak eight years ago now is pretty good. I did alright but my brother did even better. He bought 3000 shares of a company a $4 and now they are trading at over $100 a share.

          4. Rodney Steward says:

            I’m only going to ask you this one time Bob and I WANT THE TRUTH, are you a “WHITE AMERICAN”!! THE TRUTH!

          5. bobnstuff says:

            Yes I’m white. My family was here long before there even was a United States of America, we go back to the Puritans on my mothers side and my dads family came over to fight for King George.

          6. Rodney Steward says:

            My father side, Scotland, my mother’s side, English and Cherokee Indian!!

          7. Retired says:

            Are you high expecting us to believe that .The only ones getting insurance cheaper at the ones getting subsidized or in the thousands in co pay . I still say you need to change your name to bobnbull as you have a lot of BS .

          8. bobnstuff says:

            I bet you didn’t even take a look at the prices on the Market Place. I was surprised by what I could get for the money I had been paying. Full price was less then $800 per month for a good policy. Had I not gone on Medicare, it would still be a good deal. I have the same carrier now with a Medicare HMO.

          9. Retired says:

            As usual you leave out the details of coverage for a person at age 65 . I know of no one that age getting insurance that cheap , a supplement to Medicare is around $400.00 a month , so as usual more BS from the Bullshitsky man .

          10. bobnstuff says:

            So you are telling me you got ripped off on your insurance. If you are paying that much some one saw you coming. Supplement from UPMC is $21 per month each, myself and my wife.

          11. Retired says:

            Your BS stories are catching up on you , you are worse than a drunken sailor full of sea stories that never happened .

          12. bobnstuff says:

            I know what I pay. I also have some of the top doctors in network. Check Out UPMC hospital system. They are non profit so does that make them socialist?

          13. Retired says:

            Try finding a hospital that is for profit ??? I know what people are paying for supplement Insurance Not everyone that goes to the advantage plan gets to keep their DR. plus Dr . can drop out just like many do not take more Medicare New patients . Just like Insurance dropped out of ACA You are the only one that has everything perfect no matter what the subject . Next you will tell us your streets are flawless and paved with Gold . bobnbullshitsky should be your name .

          14. bobnstuff says:

            Doctors not taking your insurance isn’t anything new, I had to change doctors every time I change insurance carriers which was a lot between 1999 and now. There are non profit insurance companies out there also, in fact it’s only been since the sixties that for profit companies got into the business.

          15. Retired says:

            This losing you Dr. all started with the Brain child invention of the HMO plans that was to cure the rising cost of insurance going back decades.

          16. Retired says:

            Nixon Invented the HMO ???

          17. bobnstuff says:

            Read the link.

            “Though some forms of group “managed care” did exist prior to the 1970s, they came about chiefly through the influence of U.S. President Richard Nixon and his friend Edgar Kaiser. In discussion in the White House on February 17, 1971, Nixon expressed his support for the essential philosophy of the HMO, which John Ehrlichman explained thus: “All the incentives are toward less medical care, because the less care they give them, the more money they make.”[citation needed] Kaiser Permanente disputes Ehrlichman’s “secondhand, inarticulate paraphrase”, and presents a record of the briefs received by Ehrlichman and the White House.”

          18. Retired says:

            That Nixon supported it does not prove he invented it ?? HMO was more for preventive service to keep people health . I remember as it was was resented to the employees and many dropped out the second and third year because every year Dr. were dropped and added . People do not like switching Dr. when they have one that is satisfying .But knowing you there will be a argument supporting it.

          19. bobnstuff says:

            Are you having problems reading today? If you read the post you will find the John Ehrichman came to Nixon with the idea and Nixon liked it and supported it. The law was passed and signed by him in 1973. You are the one who used the word invented not me. I have an HMO for the first time, never liked them much but this one controls about half the doctors in the Pittsburgh area. All my doctors are part of it as well as a bunch of good hospitals.

          20. Retired says:

            Support and Inventing are two different words maybe you should practice what you preach , look up the meaning of the two words plus the Insurance industry was also involved . You try to claim to be Republican and come up with more anti republican crap .

          21. bobnstuff says:

            You are the one who keeps using the word invented not me. They are in fact two different words. I gave you a link to all those facts but once again you are to lazy or stupid to read them. The HMO bill was passed in 1973 with the support of President Nixon just like the EPA. Had the HMO’s done what the set out to do they would have been good. Had Nixon not had Watergate he could have gone down in history as one of the great presidents. I vote for Nixon.

          22. Retired says:

            Funny that the Original HMOs started dying after a few years because the Dr. started dropping out just like Many will not take new Medicare Patients. The HMOs could not fiend Dr. to take their low prices . How is it done , no new patients period .To bad Nixon did not succeed with Watergate , the political Picture today would be different . Just like McCarthy was right about Communist in our Government.

          23. bobnstuff says:

            Trump did better with his Watergate but he had the Russians to help him. The Insurance companies hurt the HMO’s by trying to milk them more then they should have. If you suck 30% out of the system it doesn’t leave much for the doctors. The HMO I have today has in fact been around for years and started in the seventies.

          24. Retired says:

            Youi CAN’T keep anything straight ??? One day you are on Medicare advantage and now you are on a HMO . Do you think people are stupid and swallow your BS .

          25. bobnstuff says:

            You can’t be that stupid Part D of my medicare is through the HMO, I had a choice when I signed up. I guess you didn’t read all those papers they sent to you.

          26. Retired says:

            It is called Medicare advantage and not HMO but you eastern hicks do not know the difference . I do not need Part D . If you had planned your life you would not have needed it nor would you have had problems with pre existance for your wife .

          27. bobnstuff says:

            Well my card clearly says under plan HMO DEDUCTIBLE. Maybe that’s why you are over paying so much. I have a $5 PCP co pay..

          28. Retired says:

            No, you are paying for mine . You also get the cheapest of cheap drugs . Plus your Dr. has to jump through hoops to get non generics . With a Family that has RNs I am well aware of what goes on .You depend on what someone posts on web sites .

          29. bobnstuff says:

            Didn’t you just say I couldn’t have an HMO? The medical practices we go to are part of our carrier as are all the specialists we use. They also own half the hospitals in Western Pa so they work pretty well together. I have had other insurance and these guys are far and away the best around. They are all part of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.

          30. Retired says:

            What happens if you leave the area or if you ever traveled out of the state or country ???

          31. bobnstuff says:

            Emergencies are paid the same as in network all other services I pay a out of network rate which is higher but not out of the park. You have the very same limits.

          32. Retired says:

            Funny I have had the same Dr. since 1975 and many different carriers including self insured from employers , but never fell for the HNO Scam just like the advantage Medicare . If they don’t repeal the ACA in a few years you will get a rude awakening under the advantage plan ..

          33. Retired says:

            You are dealing with a demon Rat that does not tell the whole story .

          34. Rodney Steward says:

            OOHHH I know that, waiting on his answer below about being a White American!!

          35. Retired says:

            It will be a lie like most of his stories, most likely a Muslim .

          36. Rodney Steward says:

            OHHH NOOO, can’t have this, I’ve got the rope!! 🙂

          37. maxx says:

            Republicans and democrats are just two sides of the same “government control” coin. They have most people fooled into thinking we actually have a two party system. Haven’t had that since the early 1960’s.

    2. Retired says:

      Repeal the ACA and get the government out of the insurance industry .

    3. maxx says:

      The only people talking about “REPLACE” are the government operatives and crony’s. That word assumes a government controlled replacement law no better than the first. No law is required and no law is needed. Law automatically means government involvement. We do not want government involvement in every aspect of our lives. That is called socialism folks.

      1. bobnstuff says:

        I guess you liked being ripped off by your insurance companies. Those high prices are enjoyable to you. If there are no regulations to protect the consumers the insurance industry will go back to robbing everyone blind. We pay more and get worse healthcare then every other developed nation. We pay a lot more for our perceptions then every other country but I guess you don’t mind paying those high prices.

        1. maxx says:

          I have never paid as much as I do under ACA. My premium increased by 120% over what I had before where are you getting your numbers? As somebody commented before you must be one of the completely subsidized liberal parasites.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            If you want to get health insurance live in Western Pa. There is a rate war going on here between UPMC and Highmark Blue Cross & Blue Shield. I had Etna from my employer and they were much more expensive. Both companies are non profits and both own the providers. Not only are the rates low but they give great service.

          2. Retired says:

            Funny that people are not racing to live in your little corner of BS .

          3. bobnstuff says:

            Google, Uber, Ford and Yahoo all have built major setups here in the last few years. That adds to companies like Bayer’s American headquarters and PPG. They could have come here because of the Universities we have like CMU and the University of Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh has always been a center of innovation.

          4. Retired says:

            Ford is still building in Mexico to import one of its models ,Uber is not it’s main head quarters just like Yahoo .

          5. bobnstuff says:

            We don’t build them we design them. Pittsburgh is where you come for engineering of self driving cars. Uber is building there prototypes here and testing them here as well as in other cities. We are one of the top high tech centers, That’s why Ford moved there division here. CMU has the top robotics departments in the world. Pittsburgh isn’t the smoky city anymore.

            I guess Trump didn’t scare Ford all that much since Ford still builds their cars in Mexico. The fact that Mexico buys almost as much from us as we do from them and if they choose to buy from some other country a number of industries will have a problem. How many jobs do you think are created by $230 billion in exports.

          6. Retired says:

            If you think your area is the only place , there is no hope for you .Once the Tax incentives run out so do companies as well as new CEOs who prefer a different area . Todays Business climate is a revolving door . The new Mexico Plant had been in the works for years . Just like GM is building more cars in China and importing them . The Import to Export are still Billions of dollars apart , until restrictions in the US are revised . Namely Demon Rats and the control tactics .

          7. bobnstuff says:

            GM is bringing in low volume models that sell better in China then in the US. Anyone stupid enough to buy a car made in China deserves what they get. On the flip side our auto exports to China has been rising at a steady rate. As a middle class developed so does the market for our autos.I’m pretty sure you have never check any of those numbers. Last year we imported less from China then in 2015. Not much less but still it’s going the right directions. You choose to blame the CEO’s for sending jobs overseas but in fact it’s the push for profits that send jobs to the cheapest place. This isn’t anything new. If you really car about these things there’s is lots of information out there that explains it well. Here is one thing to remember, we manufacture more goods in the United States today then at any time in history.

          8. Retired says:

            You are wrong on what Gm builds to import , Ask a Buick salesman what country the model is from and they act stupid plus the sticker is put so it is hard to read now go to Chevy and ask the same thing . I just saw the figures of what we Import from China verses what we export to them . It is still out of balance by big figures . We do NOT manufacture like you think, the last sentence is pure Bullshitsky . It is evident you live in a little corner of your own world .

          9. bobnstuff says:

            You seem to think GM importing models is news. I once owned a car with a Chevy name plate that was made in Canada by a Japaneses company. I still own a Chevy made in Japan.They have been importing models since the 60’s, just not from China. If you want a car made in the US buy a Toyota. Also never ask a car salesman anything, they are good at selling but not so much on information. As of right now we have two vehicles coming in from China. A SUV from Buick and a Caddy Hybrid. There will be more if these work out. I don’t like made in China but my problem isn’t the imports but the amount of exports we don’t have. the EU is every bit as bad. If they want to export to us they need to drop the barriers on our products. Mexico imports $4 for every $5 the export to us. China is $1 to $3.50. We need to tax their exports at the same rate they tax our exports.

          10. Retired says:

            We were talking China and you bring in other BS . I would not own a Jap car either. Better get Updated on how many models Gm produces in China for import to the US . The beetle was here before the jap crap..

          11. bobnstuff says:

            If you care about facts read this.

            I think I’m up to date on the GM cars coming from China. I stay pretty on top of these things. The Japaneses make a pretty good car. I have had 9 different ones over the years. I’m a car guy and at one time collected them. I still have two classics but nothing fun anymore. I also did some racing at one time as well as off road stuff. I say this to explain why I keep up on the industry. Yes the VW Beetle was here for about 11 years before the Japanese arrived. My first one was a 59. There were a lot of other European cars that came in after WW II.

            I have little faith in the Chinese building a car, I own a motor scooter built there and it is about the worst piece of junk I have ever had. It.s dead at under 1000 miles. The Wildfire is made there and they rust even before they leave the lot. The only thing they seem to do well in the auto world is electrics. The fastest car in the world right now is a Chinese electric prototype. It goes to market this year.

          12. Retired says:

            There was one big difference between European cars and the Japs they did not try to flood our markets , today we are being flooded from the far east thanks to the Government controls on manufacturing that are not there in the far east . Just like I won’t buy a Chrysler product because ,like the Jap cars the profits go back home . They are foreign owned . US America is to busy putting people out of work and then bitching there is not enough taxes coming in .

          13. bobnstuff says:

            You need to study the history of the auto industry because you have your facts wrong. The Japanese started just like VW and they grow because they built a better car. The American manufactures built the wrong cars at the wrong time and did it badly. As I say I was a collector and have owned them all. The Japanese cars ran better and were more reliable. The government wasn’t the problem, the imports had to meet the same standards as the US manufacturers. Any problems the US car companies have they brought on themselves.

          14. Retired says:

            Now you are really laying it on thick , I have been in the hobby since 70 . As far as your Jap crap goes it was the 70s man made oil crisis that gave them the boost . because they got better millage even though American Motors built cars that gave 35 miles to the gal. . The jap cars were built with our melted down Navy ships and rusted out just like US cars in the 70s. Your state used Coal and salt on its roads, drove the pike since 63 for many years. The Epa was not like it is today at that time if they were alive then , it all started with the restriction of oil . I remember the adds we improved millage by 10% ,big improvement on cars getting 10 -15 miles per gal.

          15. bobnstuff says:

            I have own about thirty cars built between 1960 and 1980, Everything from a 4 cylinder 63 Tempest convertible to a number of Volvo’s. I had two Datsun 510’s a 70 two door and a wagon. The American cars were some of the worst. We still have problems building a small car here, that’s why most America car companies import them to this day. If you remember the early 60’s compact cars built in the US were not very good, the best that came out of that bunch was the Corvair, I have had six of them over the years. If you want to talk rust the Chevy Vega was the worst of the worst. The one car that I liked even though it had some problems was my Bobcat. Fun car to drive but as most American cars of that time not well made. It had a short through gear shift that begged you to bang through the gears but plastic shims that would fail if you did. As I said I collected cars for a number of years. In Western Pa it wasn’t just the salt that was the problem, the soil around here is acid and even if you didn’t drive in the winter the mud would eat the car. I raced a CJ 5 for a while and with out seeing much snow it still rusted out. As far as gas mileage goes there were a number of 50 miles per gallon cars out in the late 60’s but they were under powered and to light to be safe on the American roads. The Fiat 850 Spyder only weighted 1300 pounds. I owned one of the first Honda Civics and it was like driving a gocart.

          16. Retired says:

            American motors Built good cars that were good on gas in the 50s before your time , plus they had a full body dip .the American 196 engine gave you 35 MPG on the road. There was nothing wrong with US cars if you maintained and cleaned them during the winter . It is people like you who had no pride in the US that bought foreign cars and helped destroy the Auto Industry . Proud US people still look for US made products ,

          17. bobnstuff says:

            They made four different versions of that engine none that will go down in history as a great engine. This engine in the early flat head model needed rebuilt at 50,000 miles. The OHV model needed the head bolts had to be torqued every 8,000 miles and the aluminum block version had problems with the cylinder sleeves moving in the block. If this is you idea of a good engine I wonder about your memory. It did get good fuel economy and got you from point A to point B but that’s about it. My brother was into Ramblers back in the day and I raced a AMC Jeep. It wasn’t till the went to the 258 six that they got a good modern engine instead of trying to remake a pre-war engine. You can also add in the fact that their styling wasn’t great and you will understand why they went out of business. As far as Pride in America I have lots of it but our auto industry has truly been hit and miss. There have been some truly great American made cars. I have three sitting in my driveway right now that are perfect for my present needs.Two are Town & Countries and one is a 91 Grand Voyager. I have now owned six of this these. I also think the Chevy Cavalier was one of the better US built cars. Good millage and they were good for over 200,000 miles with little problems. I’ve own around eight of them.In the last ten years I have only had two imports and they both said Chevy on them. You seem to believe that the American auto industry is dead but in fact it’s alive and well now. in spite of all the mistakes that have been made by the management.

          18. Retired says:

            I had the Flat head and Over head that were cast iron with no problems . GM had the same problem with head bolts and Aluminum heads . The AMC V8 was a good engine except for the fiber timing gear. The big six was a very good engine . I drove a Ambassador V8 with push botten auto like Chrysler had for delivery and it was a screamer . Had a CJ7 with V8 , much better than the 5 . If you call American Auto being alive with over 75% import parts ??? How many parts factories are gone now , there is no reason we can’t make the parts just as cheap . Thank the Government controls for our loss of manufacturing.

          19. bobnstuff says:

            About 65% of the parts are made in the US, this is for both US based companies like Ford and for the American made cars like Honda.
            My CJ5 had the 258 six. I liked the shorter wheel base for off roading and I did better in the mud then the V8’s because I didn’t have as much torque. I walked across the mud when they just dug ruts.

            It wasn’t really till the mid sixties that the engines in American cars became reliable. The only engine from the fifty’s that was rock solid was the Chevy six. I had two of them, one in a 54 Convertible and one in a 47 School Bus. The Bus had half a million miles on it. The AMC 358 six was based on that motor. By the mid sixty’s you had motors like the Pontiac 326 and the Chevy 289 small block. Both these were good motors. Even the Ford 390 was a OK motor all though they had motor mount problems and like to run over their owners. Why Ford couldn’t figure out motor mounts is beyond me but a number of their cars in the sixty’s. The sixty’s and early seventy’s were good years for many American built cars, the problem was it was only larger cars that they got right. I did love my Corvairs, I had five and one I bough, sold and bought back. It was a 63 van. In case you haven’t guessed I have own a lot of cars.

            You like to blame the government when in reality it was Wall Streets push for profits without investment that has been the biggest problem. Why invest in a factory when you can get someone else to and you just buy what you need. If you can get cheap labor out of the deal all the better. We need to change the tax code to get companies to reinvest the money instead of using it for stock buy back that only make the management richer at the expense of everyone else.

          20. Retired says:

            Wall street is only a small part compared to Government . Inventory taxes brought Just In time parts . EPA with Air Quality . a big one in the 90s companies had to document where chemicals are used and disposed of . Even metal chips had to be cleaned coolant . So yes the Government was a big cost factor . Remember the great converter issue from the Gov. now you find TVs laying all over just like tires . The Converter was good for some pockets in the cable industry . Before that I got all the networks over the air and now get 2 channels over the air in my get away place , boy was that progress . Tires deteriate ,after 4 years they start cracking and some even separate . No one wants to talk about why the rubber chemicals were changed so that they do not last . I have 30 year old tires that look like new and no cracking ???

          21. Retired says:

            That is a outdated article as to what GM produces in China .

          22. bobnstuff says:

            Show me one that says anything different.

          23. Retired says:

            Go to your GM dealers and find out like I did . There have been articles on some of the models . I get quite a few magazines from car to gardening and hunting . You like playing on the computer look up the various models other than what was listed .

          24. Retired says:

            He has more BS than he can swallow . Everything is better where he lives , typical Troll .

      2. Retired says:

        bobnstuff can not follow that concept . Liberals want to be spoon fed .

  • Stephen Howe says:

    The solution to repeal & replace is SO simple. Force Congress & every federal employee to eat their own dogfood! DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO OPT OUT of whatever healthcare plan they devise.

    What’s good for the goose…

    1. Rodney Steward says:

      AMEN Stephen, Amen! If it’s not to good for us it’s not for them either!!

    2. Retired says:

      Repeal as you promised along with all the garbage in the ACA . Nothing should happen Until a total repeal . They have until Jan.1 2018 to come up with a new system , if at all .

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    3. maxx says:

      Unfortunately Congress believes they are special because they have been allowed to create all sorts of special benefits and even laws that only they can take part in. They believe they are the “ruling class” and we are their “bill paying subjects” just like the feudal system that was prevalent all over Europe 200 years ago. In a Constitutional Republic we the citizens not subjects are supposed to be the rulers. In less than 100 years after the signing of the Constitution giving the people that power as individual sovereign states, politicians chose to subvert that system and turn it into an oligarchy or “soft dictatorship” giving them all the power that the Founders never intended.

    4. Rob Manwiller says:

      You got it, Stephen. I’ve been preaching this scenario since I was a young USAF Security Service NSA Op! That’s a long friggin’ time! We just can’t get enough people to join organizations like the Tea Party, et al, in order to go ‘nuclear’ on all these gubmint ass-clowns and their subsidies they seem to ‘need more than “We, the people…”‘ Yeah, right! It’s all gonna end in a senseless bloody revolution. Count on it! Keep your powder dry!

      1. Retired says:

        Congress over the years have covered themselves that no one can take those benefits away . We the Public have been made powerless .

  • Tiger says:

    What about “Real” do you people not understand and get the Federal Government out of insurance?

  • searchingfortruth says:

    Not knowing what else was proposed, I would argue that this so called “concession” is not enough. It still leaves Obamacare structure, with three main components in place: Medicaid, Medicare, and private insurance market bound together awaiting another Obama to complete their integration into a one payer system. It still leaves a lot of regulatory power in the Federal Governments hands. I guess it is hard for “old Washington hands” to let go of some of its power. The ACA has to be repealed not amended and not edited. It is a cancer that has spread all over the body and aggressive chemotherapy is needed to wipe it out. Unless there is more to this rollout then it will suffer the same fate as the previous one. All regulations of individual policies should be transferred to the States.

    1. John says:

      you have more sense than our politicians.

    2. maxx says:


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