Proposed budget will reportedly shrink Army to pre-WWII numbers

February 24, 2014

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel will reportedly propose a Pentagon budget that will shrink the U.S. Army to its smallest number since 1940 and eliminate an entire class of Air Force attack jets.

The New York Times reported late Sunday that Hagel’s proposal, which will be released to lawmakers and the public on Monday, will call for a reduction in size of the military that will leave it capable of waging war, but unable to carry out protracted occupations of foreign territory, as in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Under Hagel’s plan, the number of troops in the Army will drop to between 440,000 and 450,000, a reduction of at least 120,000 soldiers from its post-Sept.11 peak.

Officials told the Times that Hagel’s plan has been endorsed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and protects funding for Special Operations forces and cyberwarfare. It also calls for the Navy to maintain all eleven of its aircraft carriers currently in operation. However, the budget proposal mandates the elimination of the entire fleet of Air Force A-10 attack aircraft, as well as the retiring of the U-2 spy plane, a stalwart of Cold War operations.

The budget plan does keep money for the F-35 warplane, a project which has been beset by delays and criticism over design flaws.

44 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • usncb says:

    We have to be as strong as the [BEAR] [any enemy] if we are to survive this commander of A-H’s regime we must appose him on all of his idiotic agendas. WE WILL WIN!!!!!!! MOLON LABE!!!!!!! This TYRANT has got to be stopped. Where is the IMPEACHMENT?????????

  • David Hendrick Behrens says:

    Obama is Putin’s whipping boy. Putin is working at gaining back Russian’s old Communists power and territory, which makes it bigger and stronger.. Obama is killing the economy, down sizing the military and is making America weaker..

  • Bronco Billy says:

    Okay, if we are going to shrink the military to pre-WWII, then we should shrink the rest of our government to the pre-WWII size! Get rid of the EPA, the Dept. of Education, reduce all welfare programs to pre-WWII funding,etc.etc.
    Using the Democrats logic, they would all have to agree with this plan!

  • Bronco Billy says:

    Let’s cut the military while China and Russia are adding to theirs. Iran is on the verge of obtaining nuclear weapons and will attack Israel. Iraq and Afghanistan are falling back into the hands of the enemy because Obama and Kerry never believed in our mission there and don’t care about all of the American lives that were lost to defeat our enemy.
    But hey, we can add more people to food stamps, give out more tax payer provided cell phones, give more money to ACORN and give a billion dollars to the climate change idiots!
    Never forget that the military doesn’t vote for the Democrats and their socialist philosophy of failure,their creed of ignorance or their gospel of envy.

  • ChristCrusader says:

    0bama does not have enough control over the military so he shrinks it, while he grows his federal troops under his direct command at home.

  • volksnut says:

    what hagel for some reason does’nt seem to realize is how much danger we’re actually in – what he also does’nt seem to realize is – you don’t grow experienced combat troops on trees or effective leaders of combat troops – you have to wonder if we were suddenly thrust into a similar scenario of December 7 1941 after these morons disastrously weaken the military yet again could we rise to the occasion as we did then? I’m beginning to have my doubts – They want to eliminate the A-10 – YET ANOTHER MORONIC SELF SERVING PLOY TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE THEY’RE ” SAVING ” money – The Warthog is the perfect ground attack aircraft as was the IL-2 on the Eastern Front in World War 2 – Rugged dependable easy to maintain and keep operational – Of course they want to eliminate it – Its a great aircraft perfect for its role – attacking armored vehicles – So do they propose to replace it with? Whats the “reasoning” behind wanting to eliminate it ?

    1. I Seigel says:

      I thank you for your intelligent and reasoned comments here. But let me point out something that I’m sure you know. Weapons programs are cancelled or promoted equally (or more so) by politics than by military needs. The military has been trying for years to cancel various weapons programs – aircraft, mainly – but politicians in the home states of the manufacturers won’t allow it. Many presidents – of both parties – have tried to cut waste by closing military bases. Congressman are all for closing bases in OTHER states, but not their own.

      I do have a question for you. In a previous post, you used the word “soetoros”. What does that mean?

      1. volksnut says:

        soetoro as in barry soetoro aka barrack obama – and possibly soros as in george soros – honestly i can’t remember – yeah i imagine things you speak of certainly do happen in our blatantly imperfect world – i just know how effective/valuable a specialized aircraft such as the A-10 is – I’m sure whats happening is its been determined by one of the aircraft manufacturers in conjunction with who knows what kind of behind the scenes shenanigans saying one of the newer aircraft can no doubt “cover” the ground attack role – supposedly – just as effectively – I don’t believe it – The A-10 is not as sophisticated as attack/fighter aircraft such as the F-15/16/18 – Thats not what its intended role has been – and neither is any of the fore mentioned aircrafts role as ground attack aircraft – The A-10 is nowheres near as costly as any of the other aircraft or as difficult to maintain – Its my belief they’re doing this to make it appear to an ignorant public that they’re actually ” doing something ” to save money.I worked in the Long Beach Shipyard for 4 years in the early 90’s as an Electrician in Shop 51 – It was the ONLY Government yard that got projects done ahead of schedule/under budget – and – turned money back into the Federal Government – Slick willie and his BRAC crap – still closed it down –

        1. I Seigel says:

          You might not remember or want to admit this, but Clinton was only one piece of the story in the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Commission (BRAC). The Commission was a bipartisan group of military and political people that came up recommendations for 32 base closing in 1995. (BRAC has recommended over 300 base closings since its inception in the 1960s). The list was publicized, there were many public hearings, Clinton signaled his approval and Congress – controlled at the time by Newt, if I’m not mistaken – voted to approve the commission’s recommendations. Clinton signed the bill.

          I’m sorry you and many other highly qualified and specialized engineers lost your jobs during that time, but your blaming “Slick Willie” is misplaced.

          There have been MANY military projects that have been cancelled over the years, due to cost overruns, fraud or the projects not meeting spec. There have also been aircraft that continue to be built and then are stored in the Arizona desert “Boneyard”, never to fly again. These are make-work projects forced thru Congress by politicians in whose district the aircraft are built. They are unwanted by the military, and the JCS/Pentagon has tried many times to cut them from budgets. But the politicos keep voting for it.

          This is a problem of CONGRESS, not any one presidency. It’s how the game is played, unfortunately. You vote for my “Bridge to Nowhere”, and I’ll vote for your “Plane to the Boneyard”. Can someone like a Ted Cruz clean it up? Only time will tell….

      2. Peggy Joseph says:

        YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT soetoro’s MEANS??

        1. I Seigel says:

          OMG! IHNIWYTA!!!

  • Cyril Timlin says:

    Just what Obama promised Putin

  • Ballistic45 says:

    My Dad, a WWII Vet told me about the pre-war conditions of our military.. Training with wooden guns, cars with stove pipes for cannon as if they were tanks.. Sounds like the Muslim Obama and his Communist supporter Soros is looking to disarm Amercia, both the military and the citizens….

    1. Ms Jordan says:

      Idiot. The wars are ENDING.

      1. Ballistic45 says:

        And what does a well prepared military have to do with wars ending.. WHAT war is ending? The rules of engagement have killed more of our soldiers under Obama as “Commander and Chief”.. What war is ending? WHAT WAR IS ENDING, in your words, IDIOT….

        1. volksnut says:

          absolutely – obviously she has no grasp on human nature – opening her mouth shes proved shes the real idiot –

          1. modernminuteman says:

            She is another liberal troll.

          2. volksnut says:

            you have to wonder where these people come from –

        2. usncb says:

          I AGREE with you, 45. There is war on the horizon. Ms J has not the 1ST clue

      2. Ms Jordan says:

        Take a deep breath, turn off Rush and FOX and find out how the country got into this mess. (hint) It had to do with 2, count ’em two unfunded wars (of questionable legality), tax breaks for the 1% and unfunded Medicare Part D (Bush’s parting gift to Big Pharma).

        1. frankenbiker says:

          You know what? The blame Bush bus pulled out of the station four years ago. So drop it already. Congress voted for the wars, funded them, and we went in with our honorable troops. Don’t like it? Tough shit, I really don’t care what you like. In case you didn’t know, Owevomit, Clinton Reid Piloshit Feinstein are all part of the hated 1% but you never mention them, why. there is NO way that a president couldn’t have gotten us out of two wars, closed Gitmo, increased our economy, and helped create jobs. But your master wanted his heath care instead and poured 5 years into getting that up and running, and its still FCKED UP.

        2. Eugene Sevene says:

          I guess we should be listening to Malissa Harris Perry who said that you children don’t belong to you, they belong to the state. Hitler also said that to the German people. He also said that peoples freedoms need to be limited for their own good, also echoed by Perry. I would say she was a good student of Hitlers Germany.
          Another case of the uninformed speaking about something they know nothing about. A puppet of the liberal machine because they refuse to do their own research, or maybe they would like to live in Hitlers world. The dumb down people association.

        3. Eugene Sevene says:

          COMMON SENSE; a child is being bullied by the neighborhood bully. When the bullied childs parent steps on the scene the bullying stops. Using common sense one can conclude that power promotes peace.Have you lost your mind or are you on food stamps?

        4. Ballistic45 says:

          First off, the cuts to the Military WILL cut benefits for those who stood in harms way in service to our country.. The military is the first place libtards look when asked to cut spending, Not Welfare who they CLAIM is an Entitlement when it is not… It is a Freebie given by the grace of others toil.. Our troops and those on Social Security have earned their Benefits by action or dues paid and are Entitlements in the truest sense of the word… When you pay you are Entitled.. But Libtards go after true Entitlements not Welfare, why is that?

        5. usncb says:

          Stay the HELL at home and read history and the CONSTITUTION, at least try to get a small clue.

        6. Peggy Joseph says:

          not questionable legality, President Bush went thru the proper channels, who was it that went into Egypt WITHOUT AUTHORITY, oh that’s right it was the heinous half breed., your the kind that has helped get this country in the shape it’s in………hows the entitlements workin out for ya, they must be good.

          1. Ms Jordan says:

            Just read your comment today… WOW, you are a racist B*TCH. And “ya”? – you’re stupid as well.

      3. Keith says:

        The war has barely started. Iran has promised to use Nukes on us and North Korea was just busted for smuggling missiles into the country. The lights are going out soon, real soon and those clowns in the White house don’t have a clue.

      4. Peggy Joseph says:

        you better look in the mirror.

  • Johnny says:

    Why – Why is it always the military that gets cut here and cut there? Why is it the military needs cuts when at the very same time the dhs is being well stocked up on MRE’s and millions if not billions of rounds of ammo? WHY? How about cut the dhs and build the military. Any one in power of any country can tell you there is the need for a balance of power. IF, the military is cut to what it was in the 1930’s will the dhs also be dis-mantled or will it be supplimented with its sudden surplus of funds once the military is near non-existant? Any one of you out there – Any one o f you please reply to my message. ALL COMMENTS WELCOMED.

    1. rivahmitch says:

      Because Obama’s friends are America’s enemies and Obama’s enemies are Americans.

    2. volksnut says:

      Remember soetoros early comment? he wants to build a ” national security force ” RIVALING our conventional military in size and capabilities – I remember it very well – Now tell me does this not sound – very similar – to 1930;s Germany? THIS IS HOW THE SS WAS FORMED – First as a personal body guard to Adolf Hitler – 1st SS Division – Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler – They ended up being some of the most fanatical in the German military – Always had the first allotments and the newest best equipment – When the regular Heer was at 1/2 and less strength in the latter stages of the war the SS was always kept at almost full operational capabilities – Think what barrys done in regards to the ” DHS ” or how many other Government agencies recently – It scares the hell outta me – Now hes mandated training the regular military to handle “domestic terrorism ” ?

      1. Eugene Sevene says:

        WOW I didn’t think their was anyone out there that was researching as I have and saw Hitlers Germany and Obama taking the same path. If only more people would do the research with an open mind they too could see what is coming if Obama is not stopped. You have restored my faith in the American people, at least some of them,to realize that some still do have some common sense.

        1. volksnut says:

          I’ve been intrigued with the 20th century – and the World Wars especially the 2nd for the better part of my 59 years – I’ve noticed the similarities for a long time now – Those that don’t learn from history are bound to repeat it – When you study what it took to beat the Germans down – Along with the dynamics of the politics – and how that has shaped our world to this day – I believe we ignore those lessons at our peril –

  • jdbixii says:

    This is truly amazing given the liberal penchant for government-funded work projects. Hard to believe they have overlooked the obvious…..and consider all that “bang for the buck” you get from soldiers! Incredible!!!

  • Peter Locke says:

    We didn’t become the most powerful nation in the world trying to be King Of The Mountain: we got there by…mostly trying (and failing often) to do the right thing! We also had a HEALTHY county, morally and economically. We don’t have to be the MOST powerful to “carry a big stick”. Civilizations have fallen because they mistakenly equated being STRONGEST with being HEALTHY.

  • I Seigel says:

    How strange. If you click on the link above to the “full article”, and then, from that page, click on the link to the story in the Wall Street Journal (owned by Rupert Murdoch), you won’t find any mention of a downsizing of the military. What you’ll find is a listing of proposed benefit cuts:

    “Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is set Monday to recommend a limit on military pay raises, higher fees for health-care benefits and less generous housing allowances to prune billions of dollars in benefits from the defense budget, setting up an election-year confrontation with veterans groups and lawmakers.”

    And the article also mentions that Hagel is trying to do what his predecessors under the Bush Administration also tried, unsuccessfully, to do, which was slow the costs of benefits and eliminate some weapons programs pushed for by Texas and California Republicans:

    “In effort to slow the increase, Mr. Hagel will seek to prevail where his predecessors have failed. Robert Gates, who served as defense secretary under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, in his recent memoir described his inability to enact any benefits changes as one of his “biggest failures” in the job.”

    1. Peggy Joseph says:

      you and ms jordan should get together

  • David Hendrick Behrens says:

    In case there is an other war or two, that needs a occupational fighting force again, then Kerry, Obama, Biden and all the anti-military liberal members of the administration and congress, should be the ones to drafted immediately and sent to the front, to make up the needed forces numbers, before the cuts..

    1. I Seigel says:

      And let’s not forget Gates and W, who also tried to get these reductions passed.

      1. Peggy Joseph says:

        but they didn’t did they, President Bush may have used exe orders more than this heinous cretin, but his orders certainly didn’t have the magnitude of this monster………NOT EVEN CLOSE.

  • I Seigel says:

    Nice photo accompanying this story. I think the headline says “pre WW2 numbers”, not “WW1 numbers” however.

    1. volksnut says:

      late 20’s early 30’s

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