Trump administration disagrees with CBO report on health care

by FOXNews.com
March 14, 2017

The Trump administration on Monday lashed out at the Congressional Budget Office’s report that estimated that about 24 million more Americans in a few years would be uninsured under the new legislation.

The bill, called the American Health Care Act, would be “less generous” with new tax credits for those receiving subsidies under the current law and the plan would likely increase average premiums in the nongroup market until 2020.

Tom Price, the Health and Human Services secretary, downplayed the report and said, “we disagree strenuously with the report that was put out. It’s just not believable is what we would suggest.”

185 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • Roy Fredrichsen says:

    It occurred to me that most of the CBO staff is supporters of O’Bama and want to cast a bad image on the Trump administration because their preferred candidate lost and this is their way of exacting revenge.

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  • Christian_Patriot7 says:

    Abolish the CBO!!

    1. Webb says:

      Hear ye….Hear ye!

  • mudguy1 says:

    Wonder why nobody will listen to Newt Gingrich? He said said many times that the GOP needs to do away with CBO. He said they are nothing but a bunch of left wing liberals and never get anything right.

    1. The Redhawk says:

      NEWT knows what is GOING ON!!

  • The Redhawk says:

    CBO is Strictly ” GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT” as we saw with ODUMBOCARE and they Mised the Target by EONS! My Problem is that If given Steps 2 and 3 of the Plan will they be able to get a more accurate “POSSIBILITY” that the Goal can be accomplished for Lower Costs, across state lines purchases, Lower Litigation costs ETC

  • Stephen Bliss says:

    This was utterly predictable. These are the same clowns whose terrible forecasting was crucial to passing Obamacare
    One more swamp that needs to be drained

  • Webb says:

    ObamaCare has Cost How Much…Billions, a Trillion?
    Who Knows…
    Democrats took billions from Medicare and left out The Doc Fix for CBO to Score, ObamaCare. To get This Law Passed…
    In my View…Put the poor and low income people into Medicaid on the Tax payer. We will foot the bill anyway..
    Repeal ObamaCare Entirely as promised…

    1. The Redhawk says:

      But the (D) Anarchists gave CBO full Credibility when they Managed the FALSE info they gave them …along with 700 Bill of Medicare funds called “DOUBLE ACCOUNTING” at that time
      Yes Use the very same Bill that Obama refused to Sign to OUR PRESIDENT to REPEAL entirely the Spiralling Disaster … and Get The Replacement DONE!!!

      1. Webb says:

        Good Morning…Redhawk
        I would like to see The CBO Abolished…Period!
        If I projected my overall expenses out to 10 years…I would be a fool. As I Think The CBO is!!

        1. The Redhawk says:

          Good Morning Friend…CBO is just a Cover up yo ass for the Politcal ‘Hores…as accurate as the Phony climate Change “scientists” from GORE U….the weather Channel which Hopes that winds do not Change… and (D) Anarchists that Believe in ODUMBOCARE..”WORKING”.

          1. Webb says:

            Amen…Brother!

  • Buford says:

    This is the same CBO which found new ways to calculate, in order to statistically compare apples with oranges and inflate Obama’s numbers so that they did not look as horrid when shown next to previous administration’s figures. When things did not go as planned, Obama replaced the standards department with yes pansies, and his cronies are apparently still drawing a check at the CBO. Once again, the media has more “optics” to report instead of reality, thanks to sourcing their own entrenched regime.

  • DrBillLemoine says:

    We are now seeing clearly that ‘repeal and replace’ is dead on arrival. There is no good replacement as this new Ryan plan–no Democrats are in favor and a growing number of Republicans see the folly–drops millions from Medicaid, gives tax breaks to the wealth in credits the poor cannot use, and cuts the federal budget deficit while millions of sick people die without coverage. It’s typical Republican work to enhance millionnaires at the expense of the poor, the former well able to afford any coverage they want, and the latter getting no subsidies required to keep them alive. Heartless, stiffs the states, kills Americans, boosts the wealthy–that’s American Health Care Act. And the new budget estimates show Obamacare is likely the better option.

    1. Rodney Steward says:

      At least everybody knows what they’re getting and got to read it, unlike the Piglosi IQ of a dead horse said, we’ve got to pass it to know what’s in it, 2,400 page BS! But they all stood by their COON!

      1. bobnstuff says:

        So when are they repealing these 2400 pages? Oh I forgot they aren’t are they. Something about not having enough votes in the Senate. If the republicans had won big they might of been able to but now their hands are tied. I hope you get a thank you card from the top 1% who are getting all the advantage from their changes.

        1. Webb says:

          Use 51 votes to destroy the parts they can in ObamaCare and it will finish imploding…Gone!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            The law still stands but they are doing what they can to give their masters the tax breaks they can at the expense of the middle class. 24 million loosing coverage so the rich can have more money.

          2. Webb says:

            Bob…
            I am not rich…Obamacare caused more cost to me and my family MORE each month in premiums and higher deductiables! The Rich has nothing to do with this cost…Only Democrats!!
            By the way The Middle Class, who are responsible and carry their Own Insurance are the very ones that got Screwed with higher cost…

          3. bobnstuff says:

            So did you buy your insurance through the exchange? If not then most likely your rates went up because your insurance company want to increase their profits. You know that other then the exchange policies they are making record profits. You are helping the rich get richer.

          4. Webb says:

            My rates and went up due to deals made by Democrats with insurance companies…and Obamacare, Period!

          5. Rodney Steward says:

            So did mine!

          6. Webb says:

            Yes…
            Liberals fail to understand the cost to the middle class working Americans, For another social program…

          7. Rodney Steward says:

            Absolutely!!

          8. The Redhawk says:

            You are the EPIDOMY of “STUPID”

          9. bobnstuff says:

            The law stands. You can say what you want but it can’t be repealed without the Democrats. Sorry.

          10. The Redhawk says:

            Thank you WEASEL REID…YES Thank you for Opening up the PANDORA BOX

      2. DrBillLemoine says:

        So tell me which is better: 1. ACA which saves lives and enrolls 20+ million today with subsidies and an improved healthcare system reigning in providers/insurers; or, 2. AHCA which cuts healthcare for 14 million enrolled, gives wealthy tax credits, and tells states ‘no more budget balancing block grant’ for Medicaid, and reduces the federal budget a little?
        Remember the grandma in wheelchair pushed off the cliff–it’s baaaaack?

        1. Webb says:

          A Nation That’s Bankrupt…
          Repeal The Law Entirely…It cannot be Fixed!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            If we are bankrupt why are we increasing our military spending when right now we spend more then the next seven countries combined? If we are bankrupt why are we cutting taxes on the rich?

          2. Webb says:

            Those two reasons…can be added to why are they spending billions on Healthcare and giving millions to Insurance companies…
            My View cut out ALL ABC AGENCIES…period!
            The Military falls under the Constitution to protect America..

          3. bobnstuff says:

            The constitution doesn’t say we should out spend every other nation by 5 times. We have twenty Aircraft Carriers. China has one. We only use three of them.

          4. Rodney Steward says:

            We’re getting out of the UN and the climate change scam that is costing us billions!! $$$$$

          5. bobnstuff says:

            If we get out of the UN which by the way costs us very little in comparison to our military budget and stop working on saving the earth which cost us even less we would have very little effect on the national debt.

          6. Rodney Steward says:

            My God bobby, it was all over the news about how we paid more than China, Germany, France and Canada, COMBINED!!! You ever thought about becoming a teacher, you’d fit right in with old Doc!

          7. bobnstuff says:

            One fighter jet costs more then what we give the UN. We give Israel almost half as much as we give the UN. Do you even know how much we give them? I bet you don’t.

          8. Rodney Steward says:

            2.7 billion last year!

          9. bobnstuff says:

            $3 billion to Israel last year,$38 billion over the next ten years.

          10. Rodney Steward says:

            Great, we need them, they’re our only ally from the area, but that’s pocket change to what Obama give our enemy Iran in 3 types of cash and gold!! But it is his people and should be shot here!

          11. bobnstuff says:

            Obama gave Iran their own money. We give Israel our tax dollars, By supporting Israel we make it hard for any other country in the area to be our friend. Trump will tell you that we have other allies in the region, the ones he does business with.

          12. Rodney Steward says:

            Opey gave Iran BIB, BIG, INTEREST that was ILLEGAL and now we’ll pay for it soon, they’re already starting trouble with our Navy, or does your news channel report it!!

          13. bobnstuff says:

            The Navy will put up with the Iranian flies until they get tired of them. They can swat them any time they want.

          14. DrBillLemoine says:

            So you are an executioner, dumping sick and dying people from healthcare? Good citizen–not!!!

          15. Webb says:

            Bill…
            I have been responsible for myself and family for years.
            Personal responsible is key to life for most…
            For the poor and low income, All could have been put into Medicaid, seven years ago, problem solved!!
            At Tax Payers Expense..

          16. bobnstuff says:

            So you are saying let poor die, Right. You support the Medicaid expansion?

          17. Rodney Steward says:

            Making up crap again!

          18. bobnstuff says:

            If you take healthcare away from the poor you are saying let them die. We are becoming a third world nation under the Trump, and fast.

          19. Webb says:

            For the poor and low income, All could have been put into Medicaid, seven years ago, problem solved!!

          20. bobnstuff says:

            So you support the expansion of Medicaid then. It would have made more sense but it wasn’t what the Republicans wanted or pushed for. It wasn’t free market. Even after giving the Republicans everything they asked for they still voted against the ACA. In fact Medicaid works very well as does Medicare.

          21. DrBillLemoine says:

            Not all people are so responsible or capable or fortunate as you. Good for you; it’s not universal.
            Put into Medicaid–are you watching what’s happening now in the Ryan ACA ‘replacement’ legislation–big Medicaid cuts. With cheapskate Republicans around, nothing is ever ‘problem solved’. And it’s not all on you individual taxpayers as the nation has many sources of income, have 100s of millions of people to rely on, not just you poor workers/taxpayers.

          22. Webb says:

            Bill…
            Here’s the bottom line…Democrats screwed up trying to get involved in all of America’s Healthcare…
            Were you upset when Democrats took out billions from Medicare and took out the The Doc Fix to get Obamacare scored…
            Or when they changed the percentage rate 3.8 to 6.8 on student loans again to make Obamacare score…
            For me its Repeal ObamaCare Entirely…

          23. DrBillLemoine says:

            Most people would praise Democrats for trying to lower peoples’ medical expenses with ACA. Why not you?
            Pots of tax money for social security, medicare and other areas are always targets for ‘borrowing’ or repurposing temporarily. It’s not unusual for either party. Are you condemning CBO scoring of Ryan’s replacement but not for Obamacare? Even handed?
            You must be aware that the baby boomers are retiring now and healthcare will require more money; hence, 6.8, right? What relationship do you see between student loan and healthcare interest rates???
            You must have no sympathy for poor people’s healthcare to repeal with no replacement. You are in the minority, must have no moral or religious sense about such things for fellow citizens and humans in general. Cold heart!!!

      3. The Redhawk says:

        He must be related to JOE BLOWME BIDEN of whow was Written :
        ” Never in the History of Mankind So Many Words have been Spoken while none are Worth Remembering” ….YEAH another (D) Anarchy party GAS BAG

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          LOL, Old Joe was used for his stupidity to make Obama look a little smarter, he just couldn’t keep his hands off of everybody else’s wife and kids!

    2. Mike Thomas says:

      Obummer Care a better Option, for WHO? Please explain!
      I retired from a big corporation in 2009. I was paying $250 dollars a month for myself, my wife and our daughter’s health insurance through my company. We had a $500 deductible. The next year after Obummer Care my insurance went up to $425 a month and my deductible became $1500. This past year my insurance is now almost $500 and my deductible is $5000. So could you please explain how Obummer care is a better option, and why all Muslims were exempt from having to participate in Obummer Care???

      1. DrBillLemoine says:

        Without all details I can’t weigh accurately, but 1. group corporation policies are often cheap with actuarial specificity possible and limited coverages, caps, contributions you don’t mention; 2. if you retired early, there are coverage gaps, higher costs for gap filling till medicare kicks in and limited coverages that are expensive due to small group expenses.
        3. Obamacare often has levels of coverage you don’t mention which vary in cost; 4. The number of state providers with competition built-in cuts costs we don’t know about your state; 4. your income from unknown sources affects subsidies; 5. you mention no alternative sources of health coverage available outside ACA.
        In short we can’t really compare your policies with no data.
        We do know that the Ryan ‘replacement’ for ACA is worse for lower income people and good for the rich.
        The Muslim topic is a whole other story.

        1. The Redhawk says:

          So many words so Little worth Remembering!!

      2. Dee says:

        Obumma are is bullshit . I have private ins. And since that bill is such crap the ins cos. Are making up their losses on my back . Repeal obummercare and just go back to the ins. Before it then open up state lines . The ins. Cos. Too need to cut the crap . Another thing these people going to the er for little bullshit running up costs should have their credit taken away . We’re all paying for that nonsense . Most of them don’t work and have no sense of the dollar .

    3. Webb says:

      ObamaCare was never An Option…It was a Forced Law On The American People!
      Repeal of this Law is the only way to rid ourselves of Government Overreach into our Healthcare and Insurance…

      1. bobnstuff says:

        A law passed by congress and signed by a president that won by 9 million votes. Obama was fulfilling a campaign promise.

        1. Webb says:

          a campaign promise…
          To Only Democrats…remember the years when 54% of Americans said NO..

          1. bobnstuff says:

            You mean like last year when 53% of the people voted against Trump.

          2. Webb says:

            53%… But not in the right places…The Electoral College…Boom, We Got Trump!!

          3. bobnstuff says:

            We sure did.

          4. The Redhawk says:

            take out the Illegals and Tomb Stones from the TWO coasts and she’d have lost that Vote also….Numbers of Illegal tallied Votes is INCREASING or don’t you READ???

          5. Rodney Steward says:

            He’s a MSNBC, and Sharpton man!

          6. The Redhawk says:

            OH another SHAR PIMP TON Plantation Dweller…good Catch

          7. bobnstuff says:

            Have you noticed that Trump has stopped talking about those illegal voters. He never did come up with any proof.

          8. Rodney Steward says:

            On the back burner, got other fish to kill right now!!

          9. bobnstuff says:

            He has more Fake News to defend, each one getting more outrageous then the last.

          10. Rodney Steward says:

            All from fake news channels that you watch!!

          11. bobnstuff says:

            Since the only TV news I watch is my local station and it’s the local Fox channel I don’t get all the Fake News you do. I don’t do the Tabloid news sights you do either.

          12. Rodney Steward says:

            FOX here, but yours must be a WHOLE lot more different than mine!

          13. bobnstuff says:

            Mine is 90% local news. I don’t do any Cable news Channels. To easy to loose facts in production. I still like the written word. What I really can’t stand are the talk show that try to pass themselves off as news. It makes no difference what there politics are, they are all pretty much crap.

          14. Rodney Steward says:

            I live in the sticks, we have a Dish, we only watch local for the Weather only, FOX only!

          15. bobnstuff says:

            I remember you saying that before. If no choice of local TV is the price you pay for living there it’s well worth it. I live in the best of both worlds. I can walk across the road and go dear hunting or jump in the car and in twenty minutes be in downtown of a major city.I have my choice of three local news programs and watch them all off and on but at least four nights a week if the local Fox channel. I know most of the local news people personally from my work. Fox 53 does an alright job.

          16. The Redhawk says:

            So why do you get Here to get EDUCATED you IDIOT!!!

          17. The Redhawk says:

            THAT IS ALL he is ALLOWED to WATCH….CNN aka CRAP BURGER STATIONS

          18. Rodney Steward says:

            And apparently that’s over his head, to much Maxine Waters in him!

          19. The Redhawk says:

            Would not wish that on ANYTHING!!

          20. The Redhawk says:

            ONLY THE FOOKED UP (D) Anarchists still talk about the RUSSIANS…since th etAX issue are making OBASTARD and the FREAK SOCIaLIST TAX CHEATS

            How;s that MORON???

          21. bobnstuff says:

            Do you know what anarchy is. Take a look at what’s happening in the White House right now. You got a man pulling the strings that openly says he wants to take down our government. Bannon is an anarchist.

          22. The Redhawk says:

            TROLL alert again…bobnstuff is back out of the Padded room

        2. The Redhawk says:

          and COST him over 2000 Democrat elected Officila Positions sa well as the WH , House nad Senate on 2016……Now lrt not REALITY drive you to make any More DUMBASSED POSTS
          The BHOZO LIED his way into a Second election with some ” unethical” voters to boot .. STFU!!!

      2. DrBillLemoine says:

        You don’t know the law for ACA. Alternative coverages are allowed outside of company policies. But everybody is required to have some/any healthcare to avoid a penalty, deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court.
        No overreach of government–what do you call Ryan’s ‘replacement’ plan??? National healthcare is important; insurers in my opinion should be regulated like utilities.

        1. The Redhawk says:

          and you Pretend to know so much….SCARY

          1. Rodney Steward says:

            He’s part of the brainwashing system, a teacher!

          2. The Redhawk says:

            Oh i think he is Sorrounded by IVY faculty Lounge LIZARDS LYING TO EACH OTHER … and Putting out Well Thought out CRAP BURGERS for their MASSES….But “DEPLORABLES” Stopped buying them1!

          3. Rodney Steward says:

            Amen, Trump is proof!!

          4. bobnstuff says:

            Didn’t Trump go to an Ivy league school?

          5. Rodney Steward says:

            If he did, he was remembered and had a real birth certificate! 🙂

          6. bobnstuff says:

            He’s very proud of his College but they aren’t as proud of him, they asked him to stop saying he went there. Oh and try to find his school records. The only thing we know is he didn’t get top grades or any honors.

          7. The Redhawk says:

            How FOOKED UP CAN YOU GET???

          8. bobnstuff says:

            Trump is a poster child for FOOKED UP.

          9. The Redhawk says:

            Are you THE Fooked up Illegitimate Offspring of OBASTARD .. just another??

          10. bobnstuff says:

            With Trumps history with women it would be amazing if he doesn’t have a dozen or more little orange haired bastards out there, are you one of them?. You do have a man crush on Trump don’t you.

          11. The Redhawk says:

            Well MORON It Proves that he is ALL MAN .. WOMEN YES .
            On the Other Hand TRANNY BARRY History with “men” Bath houses …well Not a MANLY thing would you agree???

          12. The Redhawk says:

            and HIGH Grades at Wharton but that just Confuses te ASS WIPE! and to make it worse Some of his Kids also went there!!!

          13. Rodney Steward says:

            He is easily confused!! LOL

          14. The Redhawk says:

            It is SO easy to Confuse a FOOKED UP TINY MIND

          15. Rodney Steward says:

            Amen to that, I still believe he’s Pelosi’s B-TARD child!!

          16. The Redhawk says:

            Or one of Obastard Possible Sons…

          17. Rodney Steward says:

            It would have to be Piglosi, big Mike couldn’t do it, you may have something there, he is eat up with stupid!!

          18. The Redhawk says:

            Sure DID after a Military Academy….But he Studied BUSINESS at WHARTON SCHOOL not “CLIMATE CHANGE” or FAUX LAW like BHOZO claims to have “studied” under THE INFLUENCE

          19. bobnstuff says:

            We don’t know much about how well he did in school. We do know that at the Military Academy he was pulled for a leadership post and give a paper shuffling one instead and that he only did his last two years at Wharton School and did not graduate with any honors. On the other hand Obama is a Harvard Grad with Honors with a Masters degree in Law. Trump is one of the least educated Presidents in a long time. I think Harvard tops Penn as a school.
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wharton-donald-trump_us_57b2371be4b0a8e15024e6b8
            http://fortune.com/2015/08/14/donald-trump-wharton/

          20. The Redhawk says:

            He Did well enough withh Plenty of BRAIN POWER to Build a billion dollars business, Pay 26% taxes in the Millions nad show the pays More % in tax than BHOZO nad that Fraud Socilaist Crazy unkle BOINIE…YOU ASS WIPE!
            Anad di not pay any Money Like Obama did to HIDE his School Records!!!

          21. bobnstuff says:

            Trump the great businessman. He would have twice the money had he just bought stocks. The stock market did twice the gains he did. How many times did Trump have to go hat in hand to the courts to bail him out and let him rip off his investors and suppliers?

            Obama paid 19% in taxes last year, what did Trump pay? Funny how we got two pages of a 11 year old tax return, not the whole return, just two pages. What’s Trump hiding? Where are Trumps school records? Did he pay to have them sealed? We know Obama was an honor student. No one even remembers Trump at Penn.

        2. Webb says:

          Bill..
          All I need To Know is The Mandate was Government Overreach into my healthcare and Insurance…and also The Supreme court was WRONG…
          Every Entity that is regulated by government…Increases cost to the public…No Thanks!

          1. DrBillLemoine says:

            Overreach is a political term, not medical. It’s not overreach to keep people alive. It’s not overreach to help the poor get healthcare. It’s not overreach to treat fellow citizens as we treat ourselves. It’s not overreach when the majority of citizens support ACA.
            It’s not overreach for the Supreme Court to do its constitutional duty.
            It’s not overreach to ask citizens who are financially able to support those who are not in the richest country in the world.

          2. Webb says:

            Two different views…

        3. Rodney Steward says:

          The SCOTUS had no right to do this!

          1. The Redhawk says:

            OH DICTATORS give themselves LATITUDE…and then SINK like a Grabage SKOW in Flames

          2. Rodney Steward says:

            BINGO!!!!!!!!

          3. DrBillLemoine says:

            Are you saying the top jurists in the nation don’t know what they are doing??? Nonsense.

          4. Rodney Steward says:

            They’re job is to SETTLE problems, NOT make laws, teacher!! Doc my a$$!!

      3. The Redhawk says:

        It was a KGB type of “VOLUTARY” DO OR DIE policy

  • Ramon1710 . says:

    No doubt Obummer moles need to be removed from the CBO if any reliable data is to come out of it.

  • Tiger says:

    I didn’t like the term “Universal” in the rundown on the bill Ryan sent me. I am looking forward to that being explained but guess Ryan still on the One World Order, UN Plan 21/2030 train and had an exposing moment.

    As to the cost, what has O care already cost? And who trusts these people? Plus folks all my life I knew people who don’t have insurance, never have, they just go to the ER or to all the clinics available through the federal government, state and county. Nobody out where I live in these boonies who is poor has health insurance. The bus comes in from town and takes them to the many clinics, free clinics. I don’t hear anything about them in this bill or O care. They going to close down and save us billions? Leaving it up to everyone to get insurance or croak?

    Hey my neighbor down the road had open heart surgery, then stroked again and had brain surgery and who paid for it? He doesn’t have insurance. This is hooey. Look in the front of your phone books under federal, state and county services, what do you see????????????????? Free healthcare galore.

    As to insurance there will be those that have it and those that won’t ever buy it, they would rather play the slots, bingo and buy gold. So until you stop all the Federal, State and County programs you will have uninsured people.

  • Gregg Jensen says:

    So what is the revised federal government’s estimate of illegal aliens/immigrants in this country? Still that boolsheet-low 11million? Or could it be 33 million?

    And what about a revised cost of the illegals on the taxpapers? How many trillion$???

  • FLChristyB says:

    Sounds like the CBO realizes, like millions of us who voted for Trump, that nothing the GOVERNMENT can do will fix healthcare except GET OUT! Let States and the public sector manage healthcare! Trump was supposed to get government OUT of our lives, so DO it!

  • Stephen Howe says:

    sounds like the cbo is another haven for obongo appointees that must be fired asap!

    1. Reasoned thinker says:

      Stephen Howe — Exactly!!!!

      1. bobnstuff says:

        He’s a Republican if you bother to check. He was a Bush hold over in the BLS and last year the republicans put him in charge of the CBO.

        1. Reasoned thinker says:

          bobnstuff — Thanks for your reply. I was not aware that the head of the CBO was a Bush holdover (I’m assuming you are correct in making that assertion). Also, I’m not sure why your rejoinder is asserting this, but I assume you might be suggesting that I would support somebody’s position MERELY because he/she were “Republican.” That is definitely NOT the case!

          In the event your assertion (i.e., about the head of the CBO being a Republican holdover) is correct . . . and assuming that individual’s (???) position regarding the new health care proposal is NOT being portrayed incorrectly by those reporting it . . .I would support a conclusion that THAT individual should be fired too!!!

          Perhaps someone else reading your and my comments (herein) can add something more to this discussion between us. I do not pretend to know all “details,” but, instead, strongly believe that as a country of loyal citizens, we should be “reasonable” . . . not only about the strategic approach(s) of our new President, but also with one another.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Thank you for civil response. Trump and his supporters would have praised this man had he gone their way but now he has to be discredited. They didn’t trust the BLS numbers till they went him Trumps favor. Logic says that the new healthcare bill will do more damage then good if for no other reason then the limitations of only being able to change the tax part of the ACA. The ACA had a number of problems and some are still there. This new bill is hardly a solution to the healthcare problem. Trump made some promises and he needs to keep them. This bill has none of the things Trump promised and in fact is a Paul Ryan bill 100%. It’s a big mistake no matter how you look at it. Ryan does not support the President, never really has. I was hoping Trump could pull this one off and prove he is a president for all the people but this bill sure doesn’t do that.

          2. Retired says:

            The problem is congress sticking its nose where it did not belong, this has been going on for decades and not just under Obama and Trump .Insurance industry has made billions over the decades and invested into other venues instead of taking care of it’s subscribers .It’s the same with car Insurance buy a new car and the premium goes up but as the car gets older it does not go down. Rip off artists is what the Insurance industry is.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            The insurance industry does all those things while they are being regulated, just think what they would do if they had a free hand.

          4. Retired says:

            On one hand you want free enterprise and on the other you want Gov . control. Make up you mind you can’t have both .Get the Gov. out of our freedom that is not there as the Constitution was written .

          5. Reasoned thinker says:

            bobnstuff — Thank you (likewise, a civil response from you . . . I really mean that!).

            I really can’t relate to any preceding history at BLS, and I don’t feel close enough to what the new bill actually specifies. I very much agree that President Trump needs to keep his promises to the American people (who “fought the odds,” so to speak, to get him elected). Just as you have stated (in your response to me, above), I ALSO suspect (again, I don’t pretend to know “details”) that Ryan does NOT support President Trump . . . and Ryan certainly appears NOT to have been a supporter of Trump in the past (How should we characterize that? …….. something about being a “fair weather friend,” right??? He . . . he).

            As you have already said, I hope too that Trump is able to “pull this one off, and prove he is a President for all the people . . .”). I’m rooting for him!!!! Best regards.

          6. bobnstuff says:

            I’ve been reading the BLS sight for years. This is the prime source that every labor article is based on. Mr. Howe and all of the other heads of the BLS have kept above politics. https://www.bls.gov/

            Ryran has his own agenda and it’s not one to serve all Americans. He would like nothing better then to gut both Social Security and Medicare. I’m not a Trump supporter but I support the President of the United States and what him to do what’s best for all Americans. He said a lot of thing while campaigning that I don’t care for but there are also some things he promised that if he can do them would be very good for everyone. We need the healthcare system fixed. We can not be a great nation if there are people suffering. Unlike many on this site I don’t care what it’s called or how they do it, just get it done. I wish Washington would go back to the days when republicans and democrats could work together to get things done. Have a good evening.

          7. Reasoned thinker says:

            bobnstuff — Thanks for your reply (again) — First of all, I want to express my thanks to you for the “link” you’ve provided to the BLS . . . I’ve never looked at it before.

            Secondly . . . unlike yourself, I’ve been a “Trumpster” since early in Trump’s campaign for President . . . no matter, really, however . . . What DOES matter is just what YOU have already stated . . . i.e., that we all “. . . . support the President of the United States, and want him to do what’s best for all Americans.” Likewise . . . I, as you do, I too ” . . . wish Washington would go back to the days when Republicans and Democrats could work together to get things done.” Warmest personal regards.

          8. bobnstuff says:

            If you like the BLS link here’s another good one
            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics
            You can check any bill in congress as well as see how people have voted and what bills they have introduced.
            Here’s another if you want information on elections. No spin just numbers. http://www.electproject.org/home
            I was a Kasich supporter.
            I spend a lot of time looking things up. I find that there is a lot of false information out there. I have a long memory and have been involved in the political system for 50 years. I don’t care about party, I care about results. People on this site like to attack Obama but I did very well under his presidency. I doubled my personal wealth. I may not like everything he did but I liked the money. I also made out with the ACA, it made it so I could retire and still get health insurance for my wife. If Trump isn’t careful on international trade he could cost me money on my investments. I want the country to do well and I want Trump to be the greatest President in history. I need him to be good for business.
            Good talking and enjoy the links.

          9. Reasoned thinker says:

            bobnstuff — I wasn’t able to get back with you two days ago regarding the “govtrack” and “electproject” websites you passed along (see above).

            I have gotten myself into both of these websites, however, and can readily see there is a wealth of info on them. Both will require some diligence (by me) to navigate . . . I can tell. I’ve never seen either one before. Thanks for providing them to me.

            You clearly have “background” in politics (as evidenced by some of the posts I have seen you make in interacting with others). I’m “reading in” a little too about what you might have meant by saying you have been “. . . involved in the political system for 50 years.” Perhaps one could assume you are / have been a legislator yourself? I’d not be surprised. Anyway, I feel the same way about the importance of “results” (not party).

            Your (prior?) affinity for John Kasich suggests to me that you might live in Ohio somewhere. Best Regards.

          10. bobnstuff says:

            Kasich is a Pittsburgh boy, good blue collar up bring . He grow up about ten blocks from my wife in the Rocks. While Trump was living the good life Kasich was building good old Pittsburgh values. I have only held elected posts in the party. I was a ward chairman in my local Republican party. My family has always been busy in local politics. My Grand Father was a township supervisor, my cousin is one now. My uncle was a JP , my Aunt was the President of the Gross Point School board and on the McClain Virginia School board, and my brother is a judge of elections. That’s the short list. It’s your local government that is the most important. They are the ones that control the things that make a difference on the day to day basis and where most of you taxes go. I have always made sure my local guys know who I am. If you work on the good ones campaign it’s a win. I hope you find those site useful. Peace

          11. Reasoned thinker says:

            bobnstuff — Thanks for the response (again). Thanks for the insights about John Kasich too. I haven’t followed Kasich over the years, and certainly couldn’t have told anyone he hailed from Pa. About “the Rocks,” however, (aka “McKees Rocks,” right?) I do know where that is . . . NW of Pittsburgh.

            Also, thanks for the feedback about your background (i.e., in the political arena). As I had suggested in my last post to you, I’m not at all surprised by your response on that topic (the added background of your FAMILY’s involvement, as well, was surprising, however). Lots of background . . . adding, I’m sure, to your overall perspective on policies being developed. By the way, I live in Kentucky . . . grew up in Chicago.
            Best regards.

        2. Retired says:

          What matters who is telling the truth, so far there are so many stories and opinions to warp peoples minds . Change the laws that insurance can be nation wide and not just in a state . Get the Gov. out of insurance

          1. bobnstuff says:

            http://health.usnews.com/health-news/health-insurance/articles/2013/12/16/top-health-insurance-companies
            You might notice that most of these companies sell all over the country already. There are few large Insurance companies that sell in just one state. Each state regulates their own insurance and have there own rules and regulates prices. Do you really trust the insurance industry to go with out regulations?

          2. Retired says:

            They might be all over the country but that does not mean the sell the same policy . On one hand you say let the free market run itself and then you say the Gov. should Control , you can’t have it both ways .

          3. bobnstuff says:

            You can get pretty much the same policy everywhere in the country. Remember that most people either get medicare or get insurance though work. Both are pretty much the same no matter where you live. I didn’t trust the insurance companies as far as I can throw them.

          4. Retired says:

            Just like a good democrat you change the subject . No mention of Medicare . You totally ignored the second part .

          5. bobnstuff says:

            What about it? You never brought it up. A

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  • bobnstuff says:

    No one will loose their insurance and everyone will pay less. It will be great. We have Trumps word for it. All those people who are going to loose healthcare don’t matter, they are poor so they don’t need to have healthcare. So what if the guy serving your food is sick, or the person taking care of your children. We don’t need healthy dishwashers or cab drivers. It’s their fault if they aren’t rich. If they are sick they can go to the most expensive place to get healthcare, the ER. Then we can end up paying their bill that is 10 times more then if they could have just gone to a doctor. If this is making America Great Again I wonder just what’s great about it. It sure looks more like making America Sick Again to me.

    1. rodstew says:

      boo hoo, boo hoo. I am tired of paying for myself and others. Like
      Reagan said, “Liberals know so much that just isn’t true.” None of those things you mentioned happened BEFORE OBAMACARE. Quit being an idiot lead around by the nose.

      1. bobnstuff says:

        When you get sick from eating out because the guy cooking your food came to work sick and can’t afford to go to the doctor don’t blame the cook. You must be very rich if you in fact pay anything toward other peoples healthcare with your taxes. Most of the tax dollars go into the pockets of the rich industrialists to pay for over priced military hardware as well as other services for the rich. And yes this did happen before the ACA. Did you ever have the 24 hour flu? that wasn’t the flu. A health population means a stronger nation, it improves the standard of living for everyone. We are the richest nation on earth but not even in the top ten of standard of living. Explain how you can have a great nation and not take care of your citizens. I fear your own greed and selfishness will be the undoing of out country. One other little thing here, the job loss because of this in Pa. alone is equal to shutting down every coal mine in the country. You have been sold a bill of goods and you don’t even know it. Follow the money.

        1. Buford says:

          The restaurant robot doesn’t get sick.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            No they break down. You must only eat a fast food restaurants. Fine dinning will never use robots.

          2. Buford says:

            True, I normally eat fast food since I am definitely not a 1%’er. I have been sick at least twice as often during the past 8 years than I was before, after eating meals prepared by workers who go to work sick instead of staying home. Guess being covered by government insurance is not the same as having health care.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            It’s also a case that they can’t afford to say home, when you make as little as most fast food worker you are one paycheck away from being homeless. You don’t get sick days in the fast food industry.

        2. Webb says:

          The RICH…do you liberals ever stop vilifying people with money..
          Citizens should Practice Personal Responsibility…
          Not Government Care!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Even the slaves got some healthcare. The workforce needs to be kept healthy so they can build the wealth for their rich masters. Healthcare is an investment in the workforce.

          2. Webb says:

            Bob…
            There will always be The Rich…If They Benefit The Liberals, Its always Fine…Otherwise!
            They Are Dirt…Right?

          3. bobnstuff says:

            Check out who are the rich, there are a lot of liberals who are very rich. Most didn’t make their money ripping off people like some we know of.

    2. Rodney Steward says:

      At least you know what’s in it bobby, unlike coon-care!

      1. bobnstuff says:

        I bet you don’t know what’s in it since they aren’t repealing the ACA only making changes. those 2700 pages are still the law with 129 pages added on. I do hope you get the full benefit of the changes though, like having your rates go up 750%. Isn’t if amazing that Trump can make promises and then forget them so easy. No one will loose their insurance and everyone will pay less. Now it’s your boy doing the lying.

        1. The Redhawk says:

          STEPS 2 and 3 May give you ULCERS yet!! Remember that the Secretary in charge of HC Has SO many Thousands of REGS he can ERASE to make ODUMBOCARE a “GONE” reality and Free up Taxes from HC Patients…Stay TUNED MORON!!
          FREE MARKET… This will Drive you (D) anarchists NUTS !!!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            You think the regulations are easy to change or repeal. You don’t understand what it takes to undo a regulation do you.

          2. The Redhawk says:

            Sure MORON… SURE !!!
            So why don’t you give me ONE good Reason that the ERASURE of Regulations won’t work… be Specific.. PICK ONE and GO for it….or ask for HELP from you MOMMA!

          3. bobnstuff says:

            Do you know what it takes to remove a regulation? I do but I took the time to educate myself. You don’t because you are a Tabloid sheep that believes anything they tell you. Look it up.

        2. Rodney Steward says:

          Mine went to he$$ under Opey-care!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            To bad you were smarter in your choices, my costs went down. I guess I must have know something you didn’t.

          2. Rodney Steward says:

            I’m not a minority, that’s what it was set up for!

      2. The Redhawk says:

        Hi Rodney may be it is time to bid the MORON “farewell”

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          Think you’re right my friend, can’t fix stupid!

          1. The Redhawk says:

            and that is REALITY ….something the Mole can’t see

          2. Rodney Steward says:

            LOL, blind as a bat!! Like that!! Mole!!!

    3. Webb says:

      We never stopped paying for the ER…
      Ever with ObamaCare the ER’s Are still Full of people…

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Not like it was before, go check some numbers or talk to the ER people. Now the people in the ER are actually having emergencies.

        1. The Redhawk says:

          Why why don’t you Give us the NUMBERS and we can See how WRONG YOU ARE with REAL numbers

          1. bobnstuff says:

            You are talking out your back side as you do most times. You made a claim now you back it up.http://kuow.org/post/state-reports-drop-unnecessary-emergency-room-use

          2. The Redhawk says:

            Yiu have NOTHING do YOU… FRAUD LYING TURD!

          3. bobnstuff says:

            I have a lot more then you. You are the one with nothing backing up what you say. I think that might just make you the lying fraud turd in this case.

      2. The Redhawk says:

        Actually MORE Busy than EVER THe Ones who were ” mandated” and did not buy into thta CRAP BURGER of a POLICY ‘ INVADE ” the ER ….. nad thus INS companues rae LEAVING the Exchanges and States!! another Well Planned FAILURE by the INCOMPETENT INEPT NARCISSITIC MORON now calling ITSELF a”GOLFER” or is it “GOFER” of Soros???

        1. bobnstuff says:

          Prove your claim. Tell you what go site in an ER for an hour and see who are there. I have and it’s amazing the difference.

          1. The Redhawk says:

            pROVE your Claim since YOU brought it up LYING TURD

          2. bobnstuff says:

            I gave a link.
            http://kuow.org/post/state-reports-drop-unnecessary-emergency-room-use
            There are a lot more where that one came from. I also have been unlucky enough to get to sit in the ER a few times and have seen the changes in who are there first hand.

          3. Rodney Steward says:

            Go to Chicago, it’s fun to watch all those thugs come in shot up, but their healthcare is FREEEEEEE!

          4. bobnstuff says:

            It’s free but they didn’t sign up for it so they are uninsured.

          5. Rodney Steward says:

            But they still don’t pay for it, they’re M-I-N-O-R-I-T-I-E-S !!!!!!!!!!!!

          6. bobnstuff says:

            They didn’t pay because the didn’t pay. Race had nothing to do with it.

          7. Rodney Steward says:

            It’s always been about race and always will be, they’re not even BILLED, and they BRAG about it!

          8. bobnstuff says:

            I could prove you one way or another. I’ve only been there twice and did enjoy the pizza. If having people not pay a bill that they could have gotten out of paying anyway is the worst thing that happens there then who cares. Chicago isn’t the whole country or even typical of the country.

          9. The Redhawk says:

            That is a cRAP Burger Link…On the srious Side ( REALITY FOR YOU) a Panel of LIVE BHOCARE Recipients on C Span gave accounts of BHOZO COVERAGE where Premiums and Deductibles under O c are went from their Private plans @ $ 50?mo per person to 1200 /mo plus 6, 000 Deductibles …Not one burt many from various States…and these WILL DROP OUT OF O CARE ASAP , the (D) ANARCHY party Via PEELOUSY nad the CLOWN will claim they get DROPPED off INSURANCE but r-they’ll OPT to go Back to their ORIGINAL plans they had under the FREE Market CHOICE INSURANCE….. So as I said Keep you Panties Unwadded or NOT and wait for the FULL 3 Parts Plan to get Unravelled….PERIOD>> you nad yoy Dr VAIN rae posting too MUCH BULL CRAP with NO ideas of what the NEW HC PLAN will be… BUT unlike ” you got to read it after we vote it” it shall be made clear!!!

          10. bobnstuff says:

            Did you have a stroke our something? The way you are typing is just like the way my Dad did after his stroke. It’s hard to read and make your statements sound even stupider then they would otherwise. You don’t do much research on things do you.

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