Trump slams ‘totally inept’ New York Times

August 7, 2017

President Trump early Monday blasted The New York Times following its report that multiple Republicans are jockeying to run for the White House in 2020, calling the publication “totally inept.”

“The failing @nytimes, which has made every wrong prediction about me including my big election win (apologized), is totally inept!” the president tweeted.

The Times in its report on Saturday said that multiple advisers to Vice President Pence claimed he has hinted that he is ready to run in 2020 if Trump does not.

Pence on Sunday, however, calledthat report “laughable and absurd.”

“The American people know that I could not be more honored to be working side by side with a president who is making America great again,” Pence said in a statement.

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  • olinda says:

    the job approval for president Trump is coming from the Media and the Left….fake news…with all the president has done in lest than seventh month and they don’t want to talk about it…yesterday President Trump has 1,000.000 Jobs in America like he promise the people….the unemployment is 4.4% low rate…JDP is 2.6% and the stock market is 22,000 points up…and the left keep saying the president has done nothing….I can tell you all from the stat …I will later.

    1. NatTurner says:

      Any positives had nothing to do with Trump.

  • LLuke47 says:

    The liberals have failed at everything these past few years and people who suffer from their heinous decisions are aware of that now and turning against liberal foolishness and their lies..

  • thomas givens says:

    Unbelievable how FAKE NEWS makes the Left Wingers so happy and content. Keep on New York Times and keep printing before you close your doors.

  • NatTurner says:

    Some here cannot argue against the truth effectively, so they block. Ha!!!

    1. bobnstuff says:

      The nice people on this sight don’t deal well with facts, that’s why they love Trump so much. Anything they disagree with becomes fake just like in Trumps world. The fact that on more then one occasion our VP has run away from his boss because of things he said and done. Pence would love to see Trump fall out of the picture. Pence is a true conservative who has a belief system that must be screaming having to support Trump. There is no love lost between them.

      1. chw2000 says:

        I see now you’re speaking for Pence. You’re an a$$ hole and think you know what everyone else thinks. I don’t ever remember seeing anyone agreeing with you. You don’t know jack shitte a$$ hole.

          1. Retired says:

            Both have turned to the lib page .

          2. chw2000 says:

            Pence has only supported Trump. You’re an idiot AND an a$$ hole.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            Stupid comment from a person who is clueless. Quit wasting the O2.

          4. chw2000 says:

            Your self analysis of your comments and your being is accepted.
            A$$ hole

      2. Retired says:

        No one is more fake than bobnstuff who claims to be a Republican .

      3. NatTurner says:

        Mike Pence has seen Trump’s ADHD up close. Trump is erratic, impulsive and petulant. Pence can only hope he doesn’t leave him in too deep of a hole.

        In a word, Trump is a disaster.

  • Dea Whyte-Mansburten says:

    Fake news…media is (still) sure that BIG ENOUGH LIES told LONG ENOUGH will demoralize Trumps expanding base of patriots…NOT!

    1. Ramon1710 . says:

      They think they’re gaining credibility while making themselves look like bigger and bigger idiots with each delusional, or deceptive spew.

      It boggles the mind. They’re totally oblivious to the fact that notoriety and respect can be opposites.

      1. NatTurner says:

        Trump has less than a 30% job approval rating. Do you know why? Because he hasn’t done anything except create a lot of turmoil and drama inbthevWhite House. He meets the constitutional qualifications for the presidency, but has to be the most ill equipped occupant of the White House ever. If this is the caliber of person the right wing zealots are pinning their hopes on, disappointment looms.

        Trump, like the mythical character Icarus, is flying to close to the sun with wax wings.

        1. Ramon1710 . says:

          The polls are skewed crap, like your perception and the fake news from the MSM.
          Since stupidity is the best you can manage, you’re blocked.
          Isn’t your next article for the NYT due at the front desk by now?

          1. NatTurner says:

            You wouldn’t be blocking me if I wasn’t making sense.

          2. Retired says:

            Reading your posts , explains why people would block you .

          3. NatTurner says:

            They don’t want the truth.

          4. Retired says:

            You mean the Demon Rat Lies . I get mailings from both parties plus Union propaganda .

        2. Anthony Delio says:

          That’s because of the poll locations and type of people invited into the pole that is taken, I have a large group of friends who have friends and right down the line they all love Trump, and not a one has ever been asked to participate in a pole from ABC,NBC,CNN,CBS.

          1. NatTurner says:

            Neither have I or my friends and we all detest Trump. So much for anecdotal information.

          2. Retired says:

            You can leave now .

          3. NatTurner says:

            I have left the building.

          4. Anthony Delio says:

            That how we got fake news, no way to prove if there was actually a poll!

          5. Retired says:

            Notice they never print the Questions or who was polled and where the list came from .

          6. David Gearhart says:

            Polls can be made to prove a point rather than gather information. these polls are for the liberal socialist agenda. They are the minority, yet they keep telling us that they represent the majority.

        3. David Gearhart says:

          These numbers are from the same people that kept telling us trump could not win the election. They are still lying, spewing hate, fake news, and creating news to support their liberal socialist agenda rather than reporting the news. The tell people what to think instead of telling them the facts so that they can decide for themselves what is true.

      2. Dea Whyte-Mansburten says:

        There is no convincing Demwits that Trump won the election. They continue to scream that the President is heterosexual and has a penis. The ultimate crimes!

        1. Retired says:

          So did Barry the Bath house king and MOOCHELE .

    2. NatTurner says:

      Obviously big lies do not demoralize Trump’s followers, they thrive on his big lies.

      1. Dea Whyte-Mansburten says:

        What lies? More fake news.

        1. Retired says:

          Yes they produce a lot of fake news

      2. NatTurner says:

        I think he is up to 300 lies since being elected. His father Jepeto is so ashamed.

        1. elmcqueen3 says:

          So is your father who is filled with regrets.

          1. NatTurner says:

            Not as many as your mother.

          2. elmcqueen3 says:

            She never lied like your mother taught you to do.

          3. Retired says:

            He’s another Bobnstuff AFU.

          4. NatTurner says:

            My mother was a saint! Enough said.

          5. elmcqueen3 says:

            She probably wishes she never would have had you.

          6. NatTurner says:

            No. Actually she put me in a cradle and surrounded me with swAttling clothes. Then she invited wise men and kings to see me.

          7. elmcqueen3 says:

            Interesting to note…they all then pissed on you.

        2. bobnstuff says:

          Our President lies so much people are having problems remembering them. How did you like last weeks phone calls that the White House had to admit never happened.

          1. Retired says:

            Still out spreading BS .

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Are you saying he didn’t lie about the calls?

          3. Retired says:

            I am talking about you and no one else , what part of that don’t you understand ???

          4. bobnstuff says:

            If he lied about the calls then it’s call spreading facts. Do you deny that he lied about the calls?

          5. elmcqueen3 says:

            How do you know he lied…did a little birdie whisper in your ear or was it Hillary Clinton?

          6. elmcqueen3 says:

            Obama submitted a “live” birth certificate on his WH web site…Did you believe it as being “real”?

          7. bobnstuff says:

            Who cares about Obama? You can’t defend Trumps actions so you need to try to change the subject. Once again Trump got caught lying and the really stupid thing is there was no reason other then his ego for the lie.

          8. elmcqueen3 says:

            That’s your problem…if you believe he lied…I could care less because of all you liberal liars who believe all the “fake” news your liberal buddies in the MSM spew day in and day out…You never complained when Obama lied to you did you?

          9. bobnstuff says:

            You don’t care the The President of the United States of America lied. This wasn’t because he was misinformed on the facts, it was no mistake, it was a bold face outright lie. One that there was no reason for except his ego. This isn’t important to you? This isn’t fake news, it’s very real news and if it doesn’t bother you there is something wrong with your thinking.

          10. elmcqueen3 says:


          11. Retired says:

            It was made after the fact , there were 3 different ones on display . If he actually had one why did it take so long, plus how did he get a voter ID card in the State of Ill .

          12. elmcqueen3 says:

            Good question…Maybe “bobnstuff” has an answer…lol

          13. bobnstuff says:

            You don’t need a birth certificate to register to vote in Illinois. Did you know Trump has excepted Obama’s birth certificate as being real?

          14. Retired says:

            You liv In Pa. and not Ill . Plus in those days you had to register in person to get your Voter ID card , no card no vote .

          15. bobnstuff says:

            Once again you opened you mouth before you checked the facts, Go look up how to register to vote in Ill. you can do it on line.

          16. Retired says:

            Now look back years ago when it was required .

          17. bobnstuff says:

            You filled out a form and mailed it in. You are once again talking out your back side.

          18. Retired says:

            Hey I spent time in Ill. Chitcago years ago . You did not .

          19. NatTurner says:

            I am a Chicago native and you are talking out of your backside.

          20. bobnstuff says:

            He does that a lot.

          21. bobnstuff says:

            I your case it makes no difference where you lived since you have problem with both memory and noticing things around you. The Motor Voter was put in place in Ill a while back but voter registration was done with a simple form that you could mail in before that. The LWV used to do voter registration drives every year. You do remember that Chicago is in that state and all the history of voter problems there back in the Daily days.

          22. Retired says:

            Never had the Killings or Drug problems like under Rahm . Thank Clinton for the Drug Problem . I went and tried to register there you just read on your 4 computers and spread BS .

          23. bobnstuff says:

            I will let you go since you have zero knowledge on the subject, but I guess that’s not much different then every other one of your post.

          24. Retired says:

            You should not brag about yourself like that when it come to being a ZERO .. You are like the media lots of garbage comes out of you just to argue . Typical Troll .

          25. bobnstuff says:

            How many junkies do you know, ever visited a drug rehab center. Have you ever work a crisis hotline. Till you do any of those thing you can just keep quiet on the subject.

          26. Retired says:

            Very familiar with Crisis hot line . Why do you think Hospitals closed the wards for them and the mentally ill . Thank the Insurance Industry and at that same time vets were put out onto the streets . check your 4 computers for who was responsible for that . I remember Democrats saying these people do not need to be VA hospitals and was cheaper to put then into facilities with no medical staff , just room and board .I Already know your answer not in my area we have the best of everything .Bullshitsky .

          27. bobnstuff says:

            Do you remember who closed the mental hospitals? Do you know what bill that was passed to add mental health coverage and drug rehab to health insurance? My guess your memory has once again failed you. Also did you notice that Trump appointed some one as head of the VA that was hired under Obama and one of the solutions they came up with was sending vets to non VA hospitals and care givers. Just so you know I was involve in the setting up and training for three hotlines. Oh and by the way in my area there are just as many beds for the mentally ill as there have been for years and a much larger number of out patient clinics for people with substance abuse problems. All these facts are based on first hand knowledge.

          28. Retired says:

            Just like I said not where I live , you are so full of it that you are sounding just like Bill Clinton and Obama .

          29. NatTurner says:

            This explains everything. We have a couple of “birthers” here. I thought they were extinct. These guys are probably members of the Flat Earth Society.

          30. NatTurner says:

            Yep. All of that tough talk about making Mexico pay for the wall when they told him from the start that they would never do it. This is a prime example of his inability to understand international issues and the limits of his powers.

            On day one he was going to eliminate Obamacare without understanding the process or the implications. Worse yet, he thinks premiums wouldn’t have gone up absent Obamacare.

      3. Retired says:

        Trash troll alert .

        1. NatTurner says:

          The definition of a troll is not anyone who disagrees with you.

          1. Retired says:

            You is a anti USA and that makes you a troll here .No one bashed Obozo in the first year like you attack Trump so that makes people like you TROLLS.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            We have a president that is selling out the country to the highest bidder and you call us Anti-American? Also You need to do something about your memory since you don’t remember the abuse Obama got from day one.

          3. Retired says:

            You had Bill Clinton and Obama doing that .More people lost jobs and benefits under Billy Boy plus he was in on the bank bail out that was planned . Under Obama people lost jobs with Green card replacements and you bash Trump who has had his hands tied by Obama and Congress .

          4. bobnstuff says:

            Are you talking about the program Trump use to get workers instead of hiring Americans. That’s of course when he wasn’t using illegals.

          5. Retired says:

            You are a real IDIOT tonight It happened under Obama with IT Workers and other companies .Any resort or Hotel manager where ever you go they have problems getting help that can pass a Background and Drug check . It is not only in the US it is a world wide problem , seeing yo go no place you would not know .

          6. bobnstuff says:

            So it’s OK for Trump to steal jobs form American. Did those illegal workers building Trump hotel all get their jobs because of drug tests. Trump imported help so he could treat them like slaves. If they complained he could send them home.

          7. Retired says:

            You can’t read can you , I told you why it happens plus trump did not make the laws to allow it . You are AFU tonight .

          8. bobnstuff says:

            I will repeat Trump took jobs from Americans. He has done this over and over. He made a speech about putting America first in a suit made in another country.

          9. Retired says:

            You are a first class IDIOT .

          10. bobnstuff says:

            You don’t like the truth much do you.

          11. elmcqueen3 says:

            Who’s Truth?

          12. bobnstuff says:

            The Truth, based on provable facts from reliable sources. In Trump case from his own mouth.

          13. elmcqueen3 says:


          14. elmcqueen3 says:

            You poor ignorant soul.

          15. bobnstuff says:

            Trump has never put America first in any of his business dealing, he put Trump first. He has a history of giving jobs to non Americans.

          16. elmcqueen3 says:


          17. bobnstuff says:

            I guess all this thinking is hard for you.

          18. elmcqueen3 says:


          19. Retired says:

            You have pictures of this plus you was on the job site working with them , RIGHT ????? How do you know he does not have a tayler make them here . You have seen the label in his suits and of course you have pictures of them , RIGHT ???

          20. Retired says:

            You did not answer as usual .

          21. bobnstuff says:

            I gave you proof, Isn’t that an answer, oh I forget you don’t understand links. Next you will claim the Christian Science Monitor is left wing. Also if you want to know about men’s top end cloths GQ is the bible.

          22. elmcqueen3 says:

            “We have a president that is selling out the country”…
            Not as bad as Hillary Clinton who brokered a deal giving the Russians access to our Uranium stockpiles…Uranium is used to make “yellow cake”…which is used to make nuclear bombs and warheads…which the Russians could use against the United States killing millions upon millions of US citizens…no thanks to Hillary Clinton and her Russian connections…and you’re complaining about Donald Trump…Your memory tends to fault your brain…Which is not unusual for a liberal Democrat.

          23. bobnstuff says:

            Has any of that Uranium left the country? If it did thank Perry, since he must approve all sells or exporting of Uranium. If Clinton sold Uranium to the Russians she is an even bigger thief then Trump when it comes to business. Russian may own the Canadian Company who own the rights but they can’t touch the Uranium. Go look up the laws on sale and exporting of Uranium.

          24. elmcqueen3 says:

            We have no control over Canadian laws…or their business dealings with the Russians…If we did there wouldn’t be any “Clinton Foundation” in existence.

          25. Retired says:

            You nailed that one right .

          26. bobnstuff says:

            You really need to know the facts before you say something. You don’t know that the rights to mine the Uranium was owned by a Canadian company bought buy a Russian company? You need to go read the whole story. The most important thing is Clinton did not have finial say in the deal.

          27. elmcqueen3 says:

            “Those who do not read have no advantages of those who can not read”…so smart a$$…Go to Wikipedia and look up Uranium One…to further your education..meanwhile…Isn’t it past your bed time?

          28. bobnstuff says:

            These are the rules for exporting uranium. Do you think the Dept of Energy will give the Russians a license?

          29. elmcqueen3 says:


          30. NatTurner says:

            Additionally, there were 12 US signatories to that uranium deal.

          31. NatTurner says:

            Revisionist history.

          32. bobnstuff says:

            In his case he doesn’t remember well anymore. He now will call you a name since he has no other answer.

          33. NatTurner says:

            They have bought into Trump, hook, line and sinker. Remember, he said that his people would continue to follow him even if he shot someone on Fifth avenue in Manhattan. I am beginning to believe he could shoot some of his followers and they would still follow him. The technical term for these people is lemmings.

          34. bobnstuff says:

            I hope you hang around for a while, these people can be amazing in there point of view and when cornered will attack you. Some are fun and under it all not that bad, some are just playing and will keep you on your toes. Some are just plan stupid and mean and will go very low on attacks. Welcome to the world of crazy. I hope you have thick skin.

          35. NatTurner says:

            I hope we all al have

          36. elmcqueen3 says:

            Prove it.

          37. NatTurner says:

            Some truths we hold to be self evident. I know, you never heard that phrase before have you?

          38. elmcqueen3 says:

            Ahhh Yes…If only we could believe those truths which you find self evident…irregardless of the “real” truths.

      4. elmcqueen3 says:

        Not forgetting “if you like your health care plan you can keep it…and it won’t cost you one dime”…Who said that?

        1. bobnstuff says:

          “Healthcare for everyone and the government will pay for it” “No one will lose there insurance, it will be better and cost less” Both of these things are Trumps statements as well as his support for a one payer system.

          1. elmcqueen3 says:

            You are missing the obvious…We don’t have a TrumpCare health care plan…not yet…and I don’t care if we ever have one…we have an ObamaCare socialistic/communistic plan which is falling flat on its face because of all the lies the American people have been spoon fed by Barack Obama and the Democrats…The American Public is sick and tired of the Democrats and their spoon fed lies about ACA which has been found not to be very “Affordable” at all.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Have you seen anything in the bills that Trump has supported so far that comes anywhere close to these statements? If you don’t support a single payer universal healthcare system why did you vote for Trump? He told you that he liked the system in Australia which is socialized healthcare. I guess you thought he was lying at the time. As far as the American public being feed up, it’s with the Republicans that are clueless on how to fix a major problem. Also do you know why your insurance cost is going up? Record profits for the industry. You see the ACA is based on the free market capitalist system.

          3. elmcqueen3 says:

            Who spoon fed you this crap…Insurance companies are going bankrupt…and the ACA is not based on the free market capitalist system…It is based on socialism/enforced by communistic fines and penalties to keep it alive, up and running…In addition millions of people are not or can not afford to sign up to ObamaCare…The Democrats have wasted billions if not a trillion on ObamaCare…and what is the end result…Failure…U B watching 2 much CNN and MSNBC “fake” news.

          4. Retired says:

            He’ s a card carrying Republican turned ANTI TRUMP .

          5. bobnstuff says:

            Like a lot of the republican party.

          6. Retired says:

            You Mean Traitors like the Song Bird .

          7. bobnstuff says:

            No like the true republicans that can think and see what Trump is.

          8. NatTurner says:

            Trump belief in the democrats before he was against them.

          9. Retired says:

            Do you really think that people other than you know nothing about Trump , Blame Hillary that he won .

          10. bobnstuff says:

            How do you know they wasted any money since you can only guess at numbers. Do you not know how to look things up on the internet?

          11. elmcqueen3 says:

            Apparently you don’t.

          12. bobnstuff says:

            In fact I do but I think I will let you look it up yourself. I will give you a clue, it’s less then the money the government gave to EXXON MOBIL last year.

          13. NatTurner says:

            Trump doesn’t even understand healthcare issues and could care less. Most republicans hate ACA simply because it is attached to Obama. The Heritage foundation, a conservative think tank, and Romney came up with a simillar plan. This is all BS.

          14. elmcqueen3 says:

            Why didn’t you tell all this BS to Obama…Do you think he would have cared?

          15. bobnstuff says:

            Trump: ‘Nobody knew health care could be so complicated’

          16. elmcqueen3 says:

            At least Trump knows of the complications…whereas Obama just out right lied to the American Public…” if you like your health care plan or your family doctor you can keep em”…”and it won’t cost you one dime”…thus “premiums will be lowered by $2500″…”it’s just like shopping on Amazon”…Awww Yes…there were liberal fools at every corner of this nation waiting for Obama the Messiah to take charge.

          17. Retired says:

            You are talking to a solid concrete wall talking to bobnstuff.

          18. bobnstuff says:

            Yes facts are hard to go up against. just like a concrete wall.

          19. bobnstuff says:

            He said that in February, He claimed he had a plan already to go long before that. Beside what does the only lie you seem to have heard from Obama in eight years have to do with Trump. I think it’s interesting you need Obama to defend Trump.

          20. NatTurner says:

            Healthcare is complicated. One problem is the fact that there are a multitude of plans out there and comparing one to another is not an easy thing to do. Another problem is the multiple interests in the product. Insurance companies, doctors, nurses, lawyers, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies all have a vested interest. Yet another problem is the fact that so many advances in modern medicine have created high cost tests and options that didn’t exist in the past.

            The solution to this problem will require our best minds coming up with an answer that is neither democrat nor republican, but American.

          21. elmcqueen3 says:

            You don’t believe your solution will ever happen…do you?…However we do have a choice…Free market capitalism or an enforced communistic approach to health care via socialism…which also allows for no choice nor freedoms to choose from.

          22. NatTurner says:

            He did care. Isn’t it called Obamacare.

          23. elmcqueen3 says:

            If Obama cared so much he would have sat down with Democratic leaders and read the consequences of the bill before signing it into law….But then again Barack Obama only has an IQ of 115 versus Donald Trump’s IQ of 163…The only other president having a higher IQ was John Quincy Adams with an IQ of 169…But Obama and the Democrats could have cared less how ObamaCare played out in the end…When and if ObamaCare fails they can always blame it on Republicans…Democrats are good at never taking responsibility upon themselves for any thing…not when there’s a scapegoat that can be found.

          24. Retired says:

            BobanBull will argue just to argue like a good little Troll.

          25. NatTurner says:

            Trump and the Repubs have no alternative that is any better.

          26. elmcqueen3 says:

            Thank goodness…I’d like to see the Republicans “stop” addressing the issue and let ObamaCare fall flat on it’s face…ObamaCare was doomed a failure from the beginning but bleeding heart liberals always believe in miracles…especially when it’s their own.

          27. Retired says:

            Let it die and no replacement , it was a IRS milk machine .

          28. elmcqueen3 says:

            You got that one right…an IRS “cash cow” for sure.

          29. NatTurner says:

            This is the problem. Obama cared enough about increasing healthcare costs to try to do something about it. Did it work? For some yes, others not. That is an opportunity to figure out what is and isn’t working and fix it rather than beating up Obama for trying.

            But, whatever you do the realities of a large population of potentially uninsured individuals and those with preexisting conditions will still loom large above any solution.

            Every industrialized nation has single payer government sponsored healthcare. Whether you think it is a right or not, it is a necessity.

          30. elmcqueen3 says:

            Why of course…All socialist and communist believe in “necessities”.

          31. David Gearhart says:

            It was a farce that was never intended to work. Another Obama lie. Socialism does not work. Heath care is a privilege, not a right Obama insured 10 million out of 320 million for billions. Most were already on medicare and welfare which he increased by 72%. He left the middle class uninsured. Obama was a socialist take over. The democrats controlled the congress and created the situation by allowing the class action law suits to drive the cost of insurance out of control for the medical profession. . .

          32. NatTurner says:

            The republicans plan to fix all of this was what again exactly?

          33. David Gearhart says:

            No one bill can correct all of the problems created by Obama care. The one against the bills are stopping the progress of trying to insure those that are losing their insurance due to the failure of Obama care. It will be an on going process of trials. Some will work others will need to be corrected.

          34. David Gearhart says:

            The democrats have a plan to blame the republicans for the failure of Obama care. The7 will never take responsibility for the failures of their social enginering failures. Which only prove that socialism does not work.

          35. David Gearhart says:

            The democrats and the media will blame the republicans for the problem.

          36. David Gearhart says:

            Obama care destroyed our hearth care. it will not be rebuilt with one bill or over night. It will take time to adjust to correcting all of the evil of Obama’s socialist take over.

          37. NatTurner says:

            This should be done by a bipartisan congress with private citizen experts as resources.5

          38. David Gearhart says:

            It can not be done with bipartisan congress since the democrats for the last 8 years call the republicans terrorist and refuse to negotiate with them. They are still obstructing, demanding the repair of Obama care. not the repeal of replacement. As with the democrats only voted in Obama care, they are still voting for Obama care.

          39. NatTurner says:

            Really? Socialistic and communistic when it is being provided by private insurers?

          40. elmcqueen3 says:

            Apparently…you still don’t get it…you’ve been living under a rock for far too long.

          41. NatTurner says:

            Not a republican rock though. That would have hit me.

          42. elmcqueen3 says:

            Now you see what happens when you’re hit with a turd.

          43. Retired says:

            Out spreading BS again there is no Trump health care , but we do have Obama care that is Screwing everyone with insurance . I just had another medicine denied by our wonderful Gov.

          44. bobnstuff says:

            So you can’t read the stock pages.
            Aetna’s profit from last year

          45. elmcqueen3 says:

            So what?

          46. bobnstuff says:

            Well if the insurance companies are losing money they sure are hiding it well since that’s straight from Aetna’s P&L. A lot of that money came from the government since it’s from medicare part D and Medicare HMO as well as Medicaid.

          47. elmcqueen3 says:

            Why of course…what do you think socialism is all about…robbing Peter to pay Paul for starters.

          48. Retired says:

            LBJ was the big start of that .

          49. bobnstuff says:

            Are you saying Aetna or the insurance industry is socialist?

          50. Retired says:

            Why don’t you look at how much money they gave Obamas campaign through different Pac’s .

          51. bobnstuff says:

            Just like the Coal, gas and oil industry gave to Trump. In case you didn’t understand this the pac’s have no contact with the candidate under the law and I’m sure had Obama broken the law we would have heard about it.

          52. Retired says:

            You are really making a ass out of yourself tonight with your bull .You need to get out of your hut and into the real world

          53. bobnstuff says:

            So did not the Koch brothers as well as the coal industry give a boat load of money to Trumps campaign and did he not pay them back buy letting them destroy the environment.

          54. NatTurner says:

            What an intelligent response to a substantive fact.

          55. elmcqueen3 says:

            You said it..I didn’t.

          56. bobnstuff says:

            I said the capitalist system used to implement the ACA was very good to the private companies in the industry.

          57. elmcqueen3 says:

            Then why are you complaining?

          58. bobnstuff says:

            I’m not complaining but I pointed out your lie.
            You said “Who spoon fed you this crap…Insurance companies are going bankrupt…and the ACA is not based on the free market capitalist system.”

          59. elmcqueen3 says:

            Glad to see you took notice.

          60. NatTurner says:

            Excellent Bob. The medical insurance industry has protected itself against the normal impact of increased competition, lower costs, by the entire Industry continuing to raise their costs.

          61. NatTurner says:

            That’s it. They keep yelling communism but the private sector is making the money.

          62. Retired says:

            They are all making big money since buying third world drugs that are worthless and dangerous .Evidently you are low informed on that .

          63. bobnstuff says:

            Are you so lazy that you can’t even check facts instead of making things up. The insurance companies don’t import drugs. There have been a number of good articles on the insurance companies profits if you take the time to read them.

          64. Retired says:

            You don’t know how the system works so give it up with your Bullshit . Insurance will not pay for higher priced drugs than the bottom of the barrel . Al part of the ACA plan when it was drafted with the insurance industry . 2700 pages of lies except for preexisting conditions which could have been made a law without ACA. Plus most insurance would cover after two years and some after a year . it all depends on where you live .

          65. bobnstuff says:

            Once again you are making up facts instead of looking things up. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

          66. Retired says:

            NO bullshitsky , I live in the real world where it happens as well as people and see the bills as well as the types of drugs they are given .

          67. bobnstuff says:

            Once again you are making things up, go get one of your pill bottles and tell me were the pill came from. You don’t know. As far as drug safety read this,

          68. Retired says:

            The FDA can not and does not inspect off shore manufacturers of drugs . Plus they do not test Generics , they are approved on paper work . Insurance will not pay for brand when a generic is available . Get your real life facts . I get a weekly update Idiot .

          69. bobnstuff says:

            Sorry but did you not read the FDA’s rules or were you just to lazy once again. Also generics follow the same regulations as brand name. I even gave you the facts and you still got it wrong. The drug manufactures have been complaining about the regulations for years. Don’t worry Trump will get rid of those regulations.

          70. Retired says:

            You are nuts and get everything assbackwards all generics have to have is the main ingredient and the binders do not have to be disclosed .If you knew anything at all it is hew the medicine is released and at what rate . Why do you think it takes so long for drugs to pass muster , something generics do NOT have to prove .

          71. bobnstuff says:

            I gave you the FDA regulation, this is what the law is. I understand the difference in generics vs brand name. I also know that the Drug industry doesn’t always make sense from the out side. Read this to gain some knowledge.

          72. elmcqueen3 says:

            Isn’t making money what Insurance companies are all about?…It just so happens ObamaCare put a lot of em in the dog house.

          73. bobnstuff says:

            If that’s a dog house it’s a very wealthy one. Just so you know the insurance industry is one of the groups fighting to keep the ACA, along with the AMA. My point once again is you are just making things up as you go. Very lazy of you. I guess you take after your leader.

          74. elmcqueen3 says:

            Not as lazy as you would like to be.

          75. Retired says:

            That is why the insurance co. are dropping out . there are parts of the country where there is no carrier . The AMA does not really want it because of the low payments they make just like Medicare . Get your Bullshit straight .

          76. bobnstuff says:

            The insurance companies are dropping out of the market place not the ACA. Trump is working very hard to get them to do it. You see the market place is only a small part of the ACA. Aetna dropped out because they tried to blackmail the Justice Department and lost.

          77. Retired says:

            Are you drunk tonight or are you on drugs , because you are AFU .

          78. David Gearhart says:

            Trump and the republicans want free market to bring down the cost. One payer is socialism, where the government controls health care. Hearth care is a privilege, not a right. It is not covered in the constitution.

          79. bobnstuff says:

            At what time have we not had free market in the healthcare system. Even under the ACA it’s the insurance companies that control the rates, write the policies and say in the end what you get for your dollar. Every president since Eisenhower has tried to fix the system. We have one of the worst systems in the developed world and spend twice what most other countries.Even Canadians live longer and are healthier while spend half as much as we do. Also why do you believe that healthcare is a privilege? Even the slaves under Roman law had to be taken care of. Does it say anywhere in our constitution that it’s a privilege? I think it says the government is to promote general wealth fare, what does that mean? Do you even understand why we have the constitution we have. Under the articles of confederation the governments power to collect taxes and do public work was very limited and the people of the nation needed and demanded services so in 1787 we passed our present one.

          80. David Gearhart says:

            The difference between a right and a privilege is one you are born with as in god given. The privilege is earned. Health care is a privilege. The poor always had health care prior to Obama through the non profit hospitals run by the Churches and teaching hospitals run by universities. Obama care limited which insurance companies could operate where. And what they could offer. Such as men having insurance for woman issues. Socialism does not work. Canadians come to America for health care. The baby in England that was refused travel to America for medical care. Shows how socialist medical works. They control all aspect, you have no say so. Even in death.

          81. bobnstuff says:

            So you think dying is a right but life is a privilege. I’m glade the rest of the world doesn’t think like you. Life is a gift from God and how we value it as in how we value all his gifts shows our faith in him.

            The ACA set standards so the insurance companies couldn’t sell you worthless insurance. Have ever had to fight your insurance company, I have on more the one occasion.

            I’m glade you believe that taking care of the poor is the churches responsibility. My guess is you have never seen the quality of care the poor got before the government stepped in. Did you ever go to a free clinic?
            As far as socialism not working tell it to the Swedes or most of the countries with higher standards of living then the US. The story of Canadians coming here for healthcare is pure BS. Go check facts not just stories. Canadians are on a whole much happier with their healthcare then Americans. The average wait time for an appointment in Canada is in fact short then in the US. As far as the government controlling death, who controls death here, the insurance companies and you pocket book.

          82. David Gearhart says:

            Your liberal socialism is not based on facts. How you die should be a choice that is yours not a government agency. Canadian’s do come to America for health care since their waiting list for care is so long. I have been to free clinics, since I was raised as a ward of the county. All my medical needs where met. The Swedes are socialist with very high taxes on everything. All of the socialist counties have failing economies. I applied for Obama care and was told that since I was not insured they would not insure me. So much for insuring the uninsured. The ACA is worthless insurance. The deductibles are so high that having the insurance is meaningless.

          83. bobnstuff says:

            Have ever look at what nations are socialist? In the industrial world they are all doing very well.

            Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:
            New Zealand
            Which of these nations have failing economies?

            As far as waiting times, yes Canada has a problem and they are working on it but the US isn’t far behind them.
            “Canada had the highest percentage of patients (36%) who had to wait six days or more for an appointment with a doctor, but the United States had
            the second highest percentage (23%) who reported that they had to wait at least this long. New Zealand, Australia, Germany, and the U.K. all had substantially smaller numbers of people reporting waits of 6 days or longer. Canada and the United States, in that order, also had the lowest percentage of persons who said they could get an appointment with a doctor the same or next day.”


            Yes there taxes are hire, not that much by the way,. But their costs on things like medical and education are much lower. Before the ACA I was paying 23% of my income for medical expenses. Each of my children cost close to $100,000 for their educations. That’s on top of the taxes I was paying. Raise my taxes 10% and give me those services, I come out on the plus side.

          84. David Gearhart says:

            Your Venezuala is a prime example of socialism. Obama care is an epidemic killing our citizens. It killed my wife by denying her the medications and treatments that were keeping her a live. When she turned 66 she went from disability to medicare, which we paid for A through F. Obama changed eligiblity from net income to gross income. After refusing to insure me for not being insured. I told them that I was insured by the VA. I am now insured for A and B only. I was refused full coverage for being end stage COPD. So much for covering existing medical conditions. My deductible is $6,000. For medications I pay full price for the first $3,000 or so, 50% for the next 1,000 or so and after that who knows. Criminal charges should be brought against those that responsible for the crime wave. Please use spell check on your postings. .

          85. bobnstuff says:

            First I’m sorry for your loss. Just who denied treatment? You do know you are complaining that our system isn’t socialistic enough. Under Universal Healthcare it wouldn’t have been a problem. Since you failed to pay for the treatment under the free market system you choose the results at least that’s what I have been told here, over and over, healthcare is a privilege not a right, I don’t agree but those in power right now believe it. Also they never said they wouldn’t insure you, they just wanted a lot of money to do it. Yours is a perfect example of how broken the system is.

            As far as spell check I do my best but I never could spell.

          86. David Gearhart says:

            Medicare denied treatment. It is the socialism that took over our health care that is the problem. I always had group insurance before Obama care took it away. I have only the A & B, refused me the full coverage. It is not the money. I paid full coverage for my wife and still had medications denied. I had applied for full coverage and was denied. How else would I know that they refused me the coverage. Mine is a perfect example of the train wreck of Obama care. With free market, health care is available for all. Obama care keeps telling me what they won’t cover. It is VA that is keeping me alive.

          87. bobnstuff says:

            Forget for a while all the political stuff here. You need to go find an expert on your insurance to help you figure it out. In my case it was the agent from my HMO that helped. Call the agent you do your other insurance with. My wife has COPD and her Doctor went to bat with the insurance company more then once as well as our pharmacist. There is help out there. It’s not the ACA but the insurance industry that’s the problem. As long as they make more money by saying no they will. Also go buy Part D.

          88. David Gearhart says:

            My insurance is with AARP which made a back room deal with Obama to switch to supporting ACA for a billion dollar profit. They are Obama care. They have refused to sell me any thing other than A & B.

          89. bobnstuff says:

            I hate to say this but you have the worst company out there. Go shop around and you can get a far better deal and spend less money. You really need to get part D. You like the group insurance you had before. Most likely they have coverage very much like that which you had before. Shop around though. It took my some looking to get mine and my wife’s set up but so far so good. Good luck.

            Now back to the political side. The original ACA bill wasn’t the big give a way to the insurance companies but one of the first things that got the ax was to drop the public option. If you think you are being ripped off now wait and see what is planned for you if the republicans get the bills they really want, like the one passed by the house. all the profit controls come off and the insurance companies basically get to write their own ticket. Higher costs less coverage. They will be able to go back to selling policies that cover next to nothing.

        2. NatTurner says:

          I kept my plan and doctors.

          1. elmcqueen3 says:

            Good for you…you are one in a million…Did your premiums also get lowered by $2500.00?

          2. NatTurner says:

            My premiums were going up pre Obamacare. They will continue to go up regardless of the plan unless something is done to cap them.

          3. elmcqueen3 says:

            Gee…you finally came to the realization that cost do go up along with premiums…like Nevada whose premiums will go up by 67%…Did your pre ObamaCare premiums go up by 67%?

          4. David Gearhart says:

            The democrats refused to stop the class action law suits that have driven the insurance rates for doctors, hospitals and medication up to making them go out of business.

          5. NatTurner says:

            The people do have rights.

          6. David Gearhart says:

            Of course they have rights. The same rights that they are denying others. It is not their rights that the complaint is about. It is the facts that they are fabricating the report.

          7. Retired says:

            And the sun comes up in the west daily ,right ???? Even HMOs or Supplement policys change yearly . Fish walk on land to.

          8. NatTurner says:

            The truth has no impact on you people. So suffet the consequences of this galactically inept president and don’t whine about it or blame it on anyone else.

          9. Retired says:

            So you are a Rahm kiss butt , must be a Chitcago Educator . how does it feel to live in a Broke state that Obozo helped create with Jarret . Then there is also Hillary that came from your sewers .

    3. Retired says:

      NYT needs to die off . They would not survive if Businesses would stop buying it for its employees . The same goes for WSJ .

      1. elmcqueen3 says:

        Add to that…The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Denver Post to name a few more…however there are scores of other like minded publications…all leftist who support the Democrat party and their radical views…The DNC which is filled with constituents who are pumped to the gills with anger, contempt, and hate…as if they were the devils gift to mankind.

        1. Retired says:

          We did have Satan ruling for 8 years .

          1. NatTurner says:

            Bush has suffered enough.

          2. Retired says:

            You got him and Obama mixed up .Billy boy was not much better in that department .

    4. elmcqueen3 says:

      Tactics of the “deep” state and American’s Shadow government…
      as adopted and learned from history: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it…The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie…It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State”…Joseph Goebbels, Propaganda Minister, Nazified Germany 1933-1945.

      1. I Seigel says:

        Honed to perfection by Karl Rove, with Roger Ailes’ help

        1. elmcqueen3 says:

          Gee…I didn’t know Karl Rove or Roger Ailes were the front runner’s for ObamaCare…did you?

          1. Retired says:

            You sure are running into a lot of Snowflake of the wall people tonight.

          2. elmcqueen3 says:

            This is the only “safe” place left for em to hide.

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