Appeals court rules no constitutional right to carry concealed guns

by FoxNews.com
June 10, 2016

A federal appeals court in San Francisco ruled Thursday that people do not have a Second Amendment right to carry concealed weapons in public, in a sweeping decision likely to be challenged by gun-rights advocates.

An 11-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued the 7-4 ruling, upholding a state law requiring applicants to show “good cause,” such as a fear of personal safety, to carry a concealed firearm.

The judges, further, definitively dismissed the argument that a right to carry a concealed weapon was contained in the Second Amendment.

“We hold that the Second Amendment does not preserve or protect a right of a member of the general public to carry concealed firearms in public,” Judge William Fletcher wrote in the majority opinion.

53 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • snowyriver says:

    The second amendment states clearly the the right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed.
    The 14th amendment states clearly that no state shall make or enforce a law that infringes on the rights given in the Constitution. Sorry Cali. you are out of line.

  • justinwachin says:

    The other alternative is to carry them in the open. That may have a greater deterrent effect for would-be troublemakers.

    This decision will likely make its way to the Supreme Court. This is a good example of what is at stake in this November’s election. Trump or Clinton will probably pick several judges for the high court in their first term. Who do you think will pick judges sympathetic to your point of view?

  • Luke says:

    What would you expect from a bunch of loony liberal activist judges who have never understood the constitution and probably haven’t read it..
    The 2nd amendment doesn’t have any restrictions so what part of, “Shall not be infringed” do these antiAmerican judges not understand?
    Carry your weapon, surprise the liberal criminal. I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

  • democrat CockRoach says:

    Vote all the liberal commie judges out of office at a local level. Make sure you spend the time to mark NO on all the liberal judges whenever you get their long ballot.

  • Preachr34 says:

    If concealed carry is not a right, and is therefore then a privilege …
    it follows that open carry is then the right we possess, and we do so
    whether the #2A enumerates it or not.

  • CBUJAN says:

    I’ll bet any thing that every one of those judges are a democrat. Civi war is coming.

  • donl says:

    I see Socialism at work. Just who the hell do they think they are ?? This is still a Free country, the Constitution IS the law of the land. Stand and fight for it or knuckle under and live in fear of you government, TYRANNY.

  • Webb says:

    An 11-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals…
    “We hold that the Second Amendment does not preserve or protect a right of a member of the general public to carry concealed firearms in public.”
    The 9th circuit Is Wrong…Liberal Judges once again playing games with The Constitution and The 2nd Amendment…Supreme Court Up Hold Our Rights!!

  • itsfun says:

    What else would you expect from a court located in California, especially San Francisco?

  • teaman says:

    Californication does it again. The most STUPID state in our Nation. The 2nd Amendment is very clear in the allowing persons to “keep and bare arms”. These arms can be kept anywhere including on your person. These ‘so called’ judges are typical of the perverted idiot based leftist who hate our Bill Of Rights. They all come from families that have lived their lives mostly in the basements of outhouses all across Californication.
    They really have no clue as to what happens in real life for they are constantly protected by “GUNS” all around them every day. They don’t realize that a criminal or insane person isn’t going to apply for a permit before they commit a robbery or murder.
    The real shame here is the fact that our Nation is DRIVEN BY STUPIDITY AT EVERY LEVEL AND CALIFORNICATION IS TWICE AS BAD.
    These ‘so called’ judges should be forced to live in Chicago, a city with the strongest gun laws in the Nation and with the highest murder rate. Fact is, it is named “KILLING FIELDS OF CHI TOWN” A PLACE WHERE WE ARE PROUD OF OUR MURDER RATE.

  • exoticdoc2 says:

    First, it’s the 9th circuit court, the most overturned court in the nation mainly due to it being populated by a bunch of liberal idiots. Second, they don’t want you to carry concealed, carry out in the open, which will likely cause more freak outs and problems than the concealed carry would.

  • WeirOnlyHuman says:

    If the fear of personal safety is not “good cause,” what the hell is? The crime rate in this country has increased substantially since Obama became President. More people than ever are being murdered with “illegal” guns. Yet, in this wacky world of liberal dogma, people with legal guns are being condemned. Moreover, the people making these rulings are living in gated estates with private security and bodyguards. We are truly living in a twilight zone of political absurdity!

    1. Rodney Steward says:

      They want the crime to continue to rise, even using thugs for it, so they can keep pushing their sick un control agenda! This is why Obama released a lot of thugs from prison, more crimes, bigger the push!! But I thought California had this under control by PAYING thugs not to kill and use guns! Sick puppies!

  • Rodney Steward says:

    Like Obama, these socialist judges don’t believe in our Constitution either, but most are probably Mexicans and queers!

  • MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

    Open carry!

  • T.W. says:

    The “RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS” does not mean you can go sleeveless!!! Carry your guns America, don’t let liberals steal your constitutional rights!

    TRUMP 2016!!

  • Dan says:

    Liberals never give up…when a court ruling goes against their favor, they try and try and try again until they get their way. Appeal, appeal and appeal some more. The laws of the land only apply when it works in their favor and in their best interest…..Eventually they find the judges that rule in their favor…Just wait and see what happens with the Supreme Court if Hillary becomes POTUS. How convenient Justice Scalia died of “natural causes” with the pillow on his face…..

    1. Rx7pj says:

      Sounds EXACTLY like the guns nuts like YOU

      1. Dan says:

        Why are you so frightened?

        1. used_to_be_a_liberal says:

          because he knows his days are numbered.

      2. Hillary J Jessup says:

        Typical Liberal reaction….name calling

      3. jandjnesbitt@aol.com says:

        When someone attacks, mugs, or robs you on the street…you need protection, you are on your own…the cops will be on “stand down”…and the illegals will be protected in their “sanctuary city”

        1. bobnstuff says:

          Having been mugged, and robbed on the street I know that had I been carrying I would have give the mugger a gun as well as my cash. A mugger doesn’t give you a chance to draw your gun. The idea that carrying a concealed weapon make you safer just isn’t true. People watch to much TV and believe that it’s how it works in the real world.

          1. jandjnesbitt@aol.com says:

            That’s total 100% nonsense Bob… educate yourself about handling a gun and your surroundings…That mugger/robber would have been dead

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Explain to me how when a guy comes up behind you and hits you on your head with a club having a gun under you coat will do you any good. That was the first time, the next time I had four pizzas in my hands an standing in a small hallway when three guys jumped out. Muggers don’t walk up to you and say give me your money.

          3. jandjnesbitt@aol.com says:

            Bob …sounds like your always in the wrong place at the wrong time. Have you also been struck by lightening? I’ll take my chances with my gun. With your luck…You should probly stay at home and hide in your closet…………………..with your gun

          4. bobnstuff says:

            I spent 15 years in the pizza business and there were a mugging every year or so. Not one would have been prevented by a gun. Twice the drivers had guns with them even though they weren’t aloud. I don’t think just anyone should carry a gun, you should have a need and be trained. The last thing we need are a bunch of untrained scared people on the streets armed. I shouldn’t carry a hand gun, I can’t hit the side of a barn with one.

          5. GrizzMann says:

            Did you ever try it? Barns are pretty big.

          6. GrizzMann says:

            Mugg you once, shame on the mugger. Mugg you twice, shame on…. Ever think of moving?

          7. bobnstuff says:

            Here’s the story. I was working at a radio station WIXZ and the boss was a jerk. I told my wife, now ex-wife that I was going to quit and she said we couldn’t afford for me to. I lasted two more days. When I got home I was told I had till Friday to find another job, it was Wednesday. Friday I applied and was hired by Domino’s as a driver. I figured I would be there for a few weeks at most. Managers don’t always check were they are sending you and twice I was sent on bad orders that were setups. After the second time I was done driving but since I had learned to make pizzas I got promoted to MIT. With in a year I was a manager then the franchise trouble shooter. I ended up as GM for a chain of Domino Pizza Shops. I got the joy of being there when Bain Capital took over and tried to destroy the company. I got tired of working so my owner could send his children to private schools and drive nice cars but not pay me enough to live on so I went out with my own shop, I had written a five year business plan and sold the business at five years and one day. I was plus or minus lest the 10% of what the plan said I would be. In the five years I had my shop not one driver ever had a problem. That’s how I got mugged.

          8. Webb says:

            Stay In the Dream World, you live in….

          9. Tutu says:

            You don,t need to carry. If you are not trained and have confidence in your abilities to use the weapon, you probably would be killed by your assailant.

          10. GrizzMann says:

            When seconds count, the police are just a moment away. Of course, a moment in the Cosmos, could be a billion years.
            How do criminals get their (?) guns. A gun store, after a background check, or one of Obama’s Dreamers?

          11. bobnstuff says:

            They get their guns from nice gun owners that don’t lock there guns up. They also get them from under regulated gun shops that my law don’t send records that can be easy to check.
            http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-27/news/ct-met-gun-trace-study-20120827_1_suburban-gun-shops-gun-laws-gun-violence

          12. GrizzMann says:

            Under regulated gun shops. Are there any of those in Chicago? That would be illegal.
            They get their guns from nice gun owners that don’t lock there guns up? Those nice people just give the criminals their guns? Or does a criminal steal them?
            That would be illegal, too.
            So they do illegal things to further their goal. BTW, Locks only stop honest people.

          13. bobnstuff says:

            Gun safes do a pretty good job. Have you ever looked at the gun laws in our country? Did you read the article? If you pass a law that can’t be enforced is it really a law?

          14. GrizzMann says:

            Democrat solution, more gun laws, that won’t be enforced. Take the gun safe and open at your leisure. They already committed a crime. There may be valuables besides guns.

          15. bobnstuff says:

            A guy has a gun, prove it wasn’t bought legally. A gun was used in a shooting prove who owns it. Prove the crime has been committed. our system doesn’t provide for fast tracing of a gun.It also doesn’t make the gun owner responsible for what happens with his gun. Our gun laws protect the criminals not the public. They protect the gun manufactures not the people. We don’t need more laws, we ones that work.

          16. GrizzMann says:

            Have you noticed, W O R K is a four letter word to lawmakers?

          17. GrizzMann says:

            A guy has a gun, prove it wasn’t bought legally. A guy goes to vote, prove he was eligible to vote?

      4. Rodney Steward says:

        When U grow up, U may lean how to use a gun! U simply load it and stick it to your head and pull the trigger!

      5. Webb says:

        Love It Or Leave it…

      6. Retired says:

        You do not have to be a Gun nut to see what is going on at the appeal court level. The conceal carry permit holders are not the ones going around killing and robing the public.

      7. GrizzMann says:

        When you need help, who do you call? A policeman with a gun or one of Obama’s dreamers?

    2. Lee Hauenstein says:

      They always appeal to A COMMUNIST COURT SUCH AS THE APPEALS COURT IN SAN FRANSISCO. They know which court to go to, to get the decision that they agree with and want FOR THEIR AGENDA. All the COMMUNIST JUDGES THAT RULE AGAINST CONSTITUTION ON A CONSISTENT BASIS LIKE THIS NEED TO BE IMPEACHED. IT IS THE COURT’S DUTY TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, BUT INSTEAD THE COMMUNIST JUDGES RULE AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION ALMOST 100% OF THE TIME. AND NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT. When Newt Gingrich ran for President he declared that he would abolish those courts, just as Thomas Jefferson did when he was President and the COMMUNIST NEWS MEDIA CRUCIFIED NEWT FOR SAYING IT. WE STILL HAVE THE COMMUNIST COURTS AND THEY ARE GETTING MORE VOCAL. THEY CHIP AWAY AT OUR RIGHTS POCO A POCO. OR AS MY WIFE USED TO SAY “BIT BY BIT”.

      1. Retired says:

        The same thing is happening with the Voter ID laws.

  • bored with liberals says:

    SCREW the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals!

    1. Rx7pj says:

      Ya right ,screw the law huh?

      1. bored with liberals says:

        That particular court is totally liberal. They can pass down a liberal opinion, but the higher courts will and should protect our constitutional rights.
        If YOU, PERSONALLY, choose not to be armed, that is your choice. However; it is NOT your choice to take away my right to have a CCW permit to defend myself and my family.

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          Rx7pj is totally liberal too, and even has his IQ # on his user name, now that’s smart!

      2. itsfun says:

        yep that would be following in Obama’s and Hillary’s footsteps

      3. American Male says:

        SCREW YOU

      4. GrizzMann says:

        That was a decision, not the law. Judges do not make law. Well some times they do, but that is not the warrant to do so.

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