Sen. Tom Cotton: Changes To Citizenship Oath ‘Undermines What It Means To Be A Citizen’

by Carolyn May | Breitbart
July 25, 2015

The Obama administration’s changes to the Oath of Allegiance for new citizens erodes its very meaning, according to Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR).

“The Obama Administration’s announced changes to the Oath of Allegiance undermines what it means to be a citizen of the United States,” Cotton said in statement.

Tuesday, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services announced it was altering the eligibility requirements for modifications to the Oath of Allegiance. Namely, while immigrants seeking to become citizens are usually required to declare they will “bear arms on behalf of the United States” and “perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States,” the new guidance now allows for not only those with religious objections but also people with a strongly held beliefs to omit those portions.

122 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • AKLady says:

    Religious objections have always been honored.

    This country is based on freedom of religion — that is why the first settlers came to this country.

    The U.S. Census documents that the “red” states have the highest levels of school dropouts. The posts here document that quite clearly.

    Ignorance and hate — the new America.

    1. Wolfman says:

      AKLady I’m sure you posted a well researched fact. I apologize to you and others for the vulgar personal attacks. I’m a sinner myself but usually try to aim my vulgarities at institutions …sometimes I fail and direct them at a Politician. However, considering the Gentle Giant ( who actually assaulted the Mighty Midget store owner)/Ferguson episode, The daily gang on gang spillover to involving innocent bystanders in heavily Democratic Metropolitan Areas… unfortunately leads to both Dems and Reps, being responsible for the prevailing Ignorance and hate…it is going to take a major attitude adjustment …that begins with something that is seriously lacking in too many people under 50 and that is RESPECT…TRUE RESPECT…not the PC version of respect where it is basically a mutual belief/ admiration society… but honest to goodness respect and acceptance that a person can have an honest belief totally opposite of yours…. and that person is not a lesser human being….this is how it was when I was young and then the shouting over each other started. A lot of the population not tolerating each other is because all stripes of Politicians are corrupt, crave power, and need the drama to continue in power…hence the Machiavellian keeping their political opponents and the people stirred up as they plot their next takeover. WE need to stop being puppets too you know!!!

      1. AKLady says:

        Thank you.
        Ranting hate for a political figure solves nothing.
        Insult from behind a pen name is incredibly childish.

  • Obama and his Lapdogs are like a Syphilis that destroy all that is Good, Right, and Patriotic! Of course, Obama is a Muslim Queer and Muslims have no loyalty to any Flag, Nation, Law, only Sharia Law! Islam, of which Obama belongs, is the Syphilis of the Soul and Super Highway straight to the bowels of Hell, where allah/satan await! Obama is nothing but one of satans fecal worms!

    1. AKLady says:

      Insult from behind a pen name is incredibly childish.

      Your rant about Obama indicates you have no idea how your country actually functions.

      Sexual, racist, religious insult is un-American.

      The first casualty in the American Revolution was a Muslim.
      He was killed in the Boston Massacre.

      The first country to recognize our new nation was Muslim — Morocco.

      Your post is anything but Christian. If anyone is headed straight to hell, it is people such as yourself who spout hate.

      Oh, and Allah is the Arabic term for The One God. Muslims worship the God of Abraham — just as do Christians and Jews.

      1. Hey Skank, then we will meet each other in Hell then, won’t we! Because your ignorance shows thru clearly, that your most likely a Muslim Pig, or at least a supporter of Islam and the Leftist Cowards in our great Nation are the closest maggots we have to the Islamic Insanity today. But, not to worry, GOD, the ONE and ONLY GOD in Existence, the GOD of Israel and Christians, Who’s Son was Jesus, will sort out all the Homo’s, Muslims, godless Democrats, and the rest of the sewer trash of our society. Oh, any your talking to a disabled Veteran who has served my Nation my entire life, so I have earned the right to tell Leftists, such as yourself, to kiss my Patriotic ASS!

        1. AKLady2015 says:

          Germany tried the religious hate route. Rounded them up, pack them into cattle cars — standing room only. No food, no water … no water closet. The stood, sat, and laid in human excrement.

          Over 8 thousand innocent, men women and children in concentration camps. Women were forced to service the German Army. Those pregnancies were aborted without anesthesia.

          The U.S.A. is beginning to look and sound like 1938 Germany. They killed over 8 million incent men, women and children.

          Our next-door neighbor was a survivor. Mitzi could not allow any one to touch her. SH talked about being tied spread on army cot an having penises shoved every orifice — sometimes it was a game to see how many could rape her at the same time.

          Muslim hate is no different that the hate for the Jews. I won’t be shocked when the pogroms begin in America.

          Islam is an Abrahamic religion, just as Christianity and Judaism are. Allah translates as “The One God”
          Saudi Arabians attack un on 9/11, We invade Iraq, We invade Afghanistan. Ten years later there are still terror camps in Saudi Arabia — they are still our friends.

          No, Billwhit, you do not have the right to insult people you do not know. I served in Nam, so did my first husband — now laid in a Veterans Cemetery. My son is serving in Afghanistan.

          The Muslim hate must end. Germany stands as evidence of who should never be allowed again. Only this time we are the aggressor.

          1. I also am a Nam Vet, disabled. Seems like you support Israel, so that is good, but supporting the insanity of satan worshipers deserves no respect. And yes, I also agree, abortions are horrible and the outright MURDER of God’s Gifts. I have no use for black racists scum, like Obama and his lapdog LIV supporters and I have no use for the pathetic white racists of the KKK or Aryan skin heads or any creeps like that. So we do have common ground on some things, but the perversions of Islam, Illegals, and Homosexuality in any form I will never support or accept, Islam is the Syphilis of the Soul and straight from satan, all Illegals are Criminals, and all Homosexuals are perverts. If you think the God of Christians and Jews is the same perverted, sick entity as Islam’s allah, then your the epitome of ignorance. Were you with the medical corps in Nam? Only American females I met were the nurses who took care of me. Maybe you were one of them. And if you don’t like my insulting the Pigs of Islam, well, tough titty. Any belief that calls for the death or enslavement of those who refuse to believe in their entity, then that sick belief should not be allowed within American Borders.

      2. Darling, that is my name, not a fake one like AKLady. Does the AK stand for the rifle or are you from Arkansas? If Arkansas, my dad is from Russellville.

        1. AKLady2015 says:

          AK — Alaska
          AR — Arkansas.
          I’m a military brat — I’m not “from” anuwhere.
          Parents were military
          Husband retired military.
          Children are active duty military, serving in Afghanistan.

          1. Yep, AR for Arkansas, didn’t catch that! Also a disabled Vet, 1968 – 1990.

  • John Gasper says:

    Where are we going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • used_to_be_a_liberal says:

    Well that fits perfectly for the followers of Islam. A Muslim has only one loyalty, and that is to Islam, not to any country, state or person, and that includes family.

  • Jose says:

    “Oversight and Exposure” .. that, we’re told, is one of the most important of duties of the US Congress. However, and for what we .. the American public can see, just as it happens when dealing with things that sounds too good to be true; rampant failure, gross negligence, cowardice and betrayal .. that’s what we .. the common people of the United States of America have been receiving, and not just from “our” Congress men/women, but more so from the Executive and the Judicial (branches) as well. And, with respect to the new citizenship rules being dictated by (barack hussein obama) the one traitor in office .. what could anyone expect, if not total stupidity?. In fact, it is time to recognize and to accept the reality/truth about one of the main reason why many immigrants who are legally here in the USA, decide to go ahead with the process to become “naturalized US citizens”. NO !!!, IT IS NOT BECAUSE MANY A MAJORITY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS TRULY LOVE, RESPECT AND WANT TO DO ALL THE RIGHT THINGS TO BRING HONOR TO, AND FOR OUR COUNTRY. No, so, lets us just stop pretending that, that’s the “only” reason why many legal immigrants decide to do just that. For I’ve heard from the mouths of many of them “naturalized lying crooks” that, the only reason why they’ve became (naturalized) US Citizens, it is because of the benefits they can get from “our” government. The US State Department knows about it, yet .. it doesn’t matter to them, because the only thing that matters to them, is all of the $$$$$ they make. Forget all honor, and .. to hell with any decency. Why pretend.

  • WHAT???????????????????????????????????

  • cathylovesyou says:

    That what the Democrats gave us!!! A Communist President, anyone surprised?

  • TexRancher says:

    But then, what can we expect from a Kenyan born, Anti-AMERICAN, Anti-CONSTITUTION, muslim who hates this country and the principles on which it was founded? (This opinion formed by watching his own words and actions)

    Now it’s time for Congress to stand and hold Obama to the letter of the law! That is, if there are enough left in Congress with the integrity and guts to do their job! Most are too C.S. to even let those who do to do their job!

  • jdbixii says:

    Like other rules, laws and changes of the past, necessity is the mother of invention, not only convention. The history of service in many families is a proud tradition. The idea that immigrants do not have to, is simply one more reason for American citizens to be prejudiced against immigrants who are constituting the “majority of minorities” which is ruining the country. Our forefathers brought forth this nation and their descendants fought, and in many cases, died for the birth and preservation of this nation. The idea that there is no obligation to sacrifice other than money in its preservation will create a religious class exempted from the costs of its preservation. Which religion, do you suppose, it will be? Liberals are, fundamentally, stupid! It is one of the tragic facts of life.

  • jerry young says:

    obama couldn’t even get the oath of presidency right so why would anyone think he would make immigrants take the same oath of citizenship that has been used for so long, however maybe they should swear to god that they will never use anything to bring harm to other Americans

  • The redhawk says:

    May be the MAIN IDIOT of the ADministration (was it you Barack?) who came up with this BOVINE DROPPING of an Idea should be FORCED out of America ….sent to Kenya or Russia, or IRAN with Kerry and his Three IDIOTS who negotiated the ANTI Amerivca Treaty with Iran….. KEEP AT IT Tom Cotton… YOu are a leader among Jelly FISH in the SENATE!!!

  • I Seigel says:

    Oh, so Obama wants new citizens to be able to “Opt Out” of certain conditions? Wow, how treasonous is that?!?! That’s kind of like allowing companies or religious orders to “Opt Out” of providing contraception to their employees as part of their health coverage!!! My oh my!! Or like having the gall to suggest that a little old lady who runs her own flower shop should be able to “Opt Out” of providing flowers at a completely legal and state-recognized gay wedding by claiming “Religious Objection”. Or allowing a pharmacist to not provide Plan B contraceptive drugs by claiming “Religious Objection”. Or kind of like allowing citizens to avoid military service because of claiming “Conscientious Objector” status. How un-American!! Obama should be drawn and quartered for having the audacity to make such a move!

    1. The redhawk says:

      HEY Canarsie BOVINE DROPPING… Get off the Prayer RUG and Move Elsewhere…

      1. I Seigel says:

        Why? Don’t like anyone else playing in your sandbox? That’s all you got? Again?!?! Just an insult, and not something interesting and semi-intelligent?

        1. The redhawk says:

          May be Wearing a burqua might ENLINGHTEN YOU… Or having NO National Pride and LOYALTY is what you are all about…so why not seek a place where there is NO National pride.. History of Freeing other oppressed nations and having created the Best Society into which Most people of the World are Flying, or walking Illegally to be a part of???
          But I am talking to a self IMPOSED INtelligent TROLL and well What can we say to Anrachists???

          1. I Seigel says:

            National pride? Loyalty? Huh? I’ve been to many naturalization ceremonies, and I’ve probably seen 3000 or more people take the oath of citizenship. They were all extremely excited and proud to become American citizens. A few even wore burqas or robes or yarmulkes. Do you have any clue what you’re ranting on about?

          2. Wolfman says:

            You ‘brownnose’ redhawk constantly. It’s like your Ahab and he’s Moby Dick. ( how do you like how I threw the arab sounding name out there just to get you yelled at some more!!!)

          3. The redhawk says:

            IT’s SO BROWN that it seems to be a Chocolate Covered POPSICLE!

          4. AKLady says:

            You need to educate yourself.
            There are many religions which prohibit the individual from taking the Oath as written.

          5. The redhawk says:

            You Need Something More between your Legs than just Wadded Panties…

          6. AKLady2015 says:

            Get an education. God says “Thou shalt not kill”.
            Conscientious Objector status: “A firm, fixed, and sincere objection to participation in war in any form or the bearing of arms, by reason of religious training and/or belief.” (DOD 1300.6)

            Conscientious objectors have been with us as long as there have been wars.

      2. AKLady says:

        Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion.
        Get an education. Religious hate was tried in 1939 Germany.
        It did not work out very well.

      3. AKLady2015 says:

        Learn the existing law,
        Being able to “opt out” of killing has always been possible.
        It is called contentious objector status.

    2. Patriot1955 says:

      You talk about obeying the law , I guess it should start with the Oval Office. I guess your one of the idiots who voted for the liar in chief. If there is no respect for the law there why the hell would it make a shit for the groups you mentioned. To hell with people like you you IDIOT you and your kind are destroying this great country.

      1. I Seigel says:

        You’re basically saying, “Since he’s not playing by the rules, why should I?” Is that the argument you’re making here, Mr Grown Up? Go back to your playground and play with the other 7-year-olds. When you’re ready to behave like an adult, we’ll talk. Take your ball with you.

        1. Wolfman says:

          The general impression I get from these sites is that the Left has provoked a mob mentality on most of its followers, for years to shout over any opposition in order to further an agenda….and the aftershock of that has spilled over to the everyday ‘Joe’ …who are now in a shouting match with anyone and everyone they perceive is not “Conservative”. I consider myself an everyday’Joe’…and yet..
          In my post string yesterday I was accused of having every political stance in the world..except the one that I was actually articulating.
          To be blunt…I have no idea what your formal Political stance is ….it really doesn’t matter to me….if nothing else you have a knack for pressing some very uncomfortable buttons…and phrase things in ways that sometimes I’ll go ‘I believe exactly what he just said…do I also act that irrational about it as he implies?’.
          In my case, nothing wrong with soul searching to make sure my political beliefs still match my moral compass.
          The frustration on these pages leads me to believe …if there isn’t a change back to the Constitutional America…there is going to be a fight for the Country……It’s going to be a wild election cycle

          1. I Seigel says:

            I’ll reply in no particular order.

            Re your “shouting match” comment: you said the Left has provoked,,, etc. I beg to differ. The shouting heads at MSNBC came years after, and were a direct response to, the FOX shouting heads. Beck, in particular, and Hannity and O’Reilly. And of course Rush pre-dates the progressive radio network. So I think you’re willing to look the other way on this question.

            Re your “wild election cycle” comment: I wholeheartedly agree. And I hope we hear some serious discussions and ideas for what is wrong and how to fix things. I hope it doesn’t devolve into stuff like “voluntary rape” comments and a debate over where the first shots were fired, Yorktown or Bunker Hill, and if Paul Revere and the Raiders gave the warning or was it the Kingsmen. And I want to hear about the future and what the candidates propose, rather than rehashing Benghazi and the IRS and who’s hiring an illegal nanny. That won’t really get us anywhere.

            I’ll have more comments about your post, but I got to get to work. I’ll add to this post later, if I think of more stuff.
            Also: soul searching is good. It shows we have an open mind and are willing to self-evaluate and critique and perhaps make changes, if necessary.

            And also I agree that it really doesn’t matter what the political leaning is of the person who posts. I don’t get why people here have to label you, and then they know how to respond. It really shows a lack of intelligence and imagination.

          2. Wolfman says:

            When you get back…I was talking about the crowds of day to day people…like college kids… protesters.. etc. …back when I was in school you couldn’t get a word in …this is how the Progressive movement started to accelerate its agenda… It’s been my observation most everyday ‘Joes’ used to let them rant and have their ‘enlightened’ way ( baby steps).. I didn’t really mean so called talking heads. Actually I used to watch them all the time…except they got stuck in the name calling… saying the same thing…never offering a solution… accusation cycle!! Problems do not self resolve..they need active participation,input,thought,a game plan,…implementation. Most Politicians go from Problem… and jump to implementing ( something! anything!!) without thinking it through…that is why the solutions usually end up creating problems..that are sometimes even worse than the problem they attempt to solve.
            As strange as it may seem I watch… ( pardon me while I pre-call myself some names to save everyone the trouble) because I’m a Conservative ,Rino,Libertarian,Commie, Bovine/Equine/Porcine pile of obnoxious green diarrhia animal flop, Nazi,Pinko,Gay guy , macho, loser, who works…but is just a taker,… ” Morning Joe” on MSNBC, because it appears to be at times,a decent mix of Conservative and Liberal side by side discussion. I have never agreed with anything the Liberals present on there in regards to protecting Hillary, Un-Constitutional actions by Obama, etc… but if they bring up valid subtle points about a subject …it is interesting to watch the usual mutual bashing start to focus on a discussion..FYI ..I do believe this country is in need of major surgery to get us back on a fiscally responsible, legal immigration, not everyone is sick enough to qualify for disability, food card, gimme-gimmme-gimme, strong defense, minimum government intrusion, place so that we aren’t treated like a bunch of indentured servants that are only good for raising money to insure that the Government can keep insulting us and rewarding those who have not earned their keep ( the truly disabled, mentally ill, mentally deficient,etc.are exceptions).
            It is going to take at least 50 years to get us back to a place that is reminiscent of America when I was a kid ( without the warts that existed back then). There is no reason, except the greed of those who are in power in both parties, that this can not be achieved. The Power Mongers gain nothing if America is a peaceful, fair, nice place to live, that don’t take crap from the rest of the world….because if there is no National hate,conflict,fear,…you don’t need Big Gov. to step in and ‘solve’ the causes of the problem ( that they creaed and perpetuate on purpose).

          3. I Seigel says:

            Complete change of subject:
            Did you notice it’s been real quiet on the Jade Helm front recently? I posted a question to the last of the JH threads a couple days ago, but no one is paying attention anymore. They’ve either all been rounded up and put into detention camps, or the whole thing was just a big hoo hah piss in the wind. What’s your guess?

          4. Wolfman says:

            Don’t know…been controversial at work…lost total focus of it…fact is Texas Gov. Abbott is no fool and was going to be vigilant…Trump was in Texas…. unfortunately no news doesn’t always add up to good news!!! But the silence on the posts is very unusual…I’ll need some time to look into this…..What made you think of it …just one of those…Oh! By the way… moments??

          5. I Seigel says:

            Yeah, just “oh by the way”. So much talk and warning and controversy going into it, and then all back to quiet and normal, as expected. Seems a little strange the contrast between then and now.

          6. Wolfman says:

            Sigs, Jade Helm update…A fellow commentor ..he’s from Texas ..told me that Blackhawks and Chinooks, are fiying in large numbers and frequency in his area. Didn’t get real specific..but he said the activity is enough to concern the residents but no newsmedia are even commenting on it. Once again this is weird by the lack of press coverage vs. the purported level of activity. I asked him to have himself and any others he knows to post whatever they can because they appear to be the only possible means of keeping everyone else apprised. Sorry not much…but the fact that there is a report of significant activity but no local coverage even??? That is definitely skewing the maybe something maybe nothing balance from 50/50 to about 55/45 …with something’s fishy getting the 55.
            My Alma Mater ( University of New Hampshire) just adopted the ” Micro-Agression” agenda and doesn’t even want people to refer to themselves as Americans. I think you know me well enough by now that I sent them my own Micro-Agressive reaction that kinda rhymes with ” Go F*(k Yourselves” …(I cleverly used those exact words to make sure the rhyme actually rhymed correctly). Old Wolfie’ s totally shamed …and I can’t show my face ( well actually it’s an avatar in this case)
            Right now I don’t even feel worthy to post with serious Patriots such as yourself ( we don’t agree on a lot of things…but I believe you do respect others matter what their opinion is ( sans the string of vulgarities) so long as they EXPLAIN their logic). I need time to reflect …this really whacked’s like there are no Places of higher learning that support free thought anymore!!! I’m disgusted and ashamed. I enjoyed talking to ya Sigs. Bye for now!

          7. I Seigel says:

            I have learned that Cracker Barrel has been accused of micro-aggressive behavior. They are renaming themselves Caucasian Barrel.

          8. Wolfman says:

            That’s a good one Sigs. That ‘Nitwit’ has some real serious psychological issues …even if he’s just saying the stuff he does to tick you off…makes me embarassed to be a Conservative,

          9. AKLady2015 says:

            A lot of word-for-word copy and paste with no citations.

          10. Wolfman says:

            I don’t understand what you are referring to???

          11. AKLady2015 says:

            Abbott is the epitome of a fool.
            The military provides a huge chuck of Texas’ jobs and state financing.

          12. I Seigel says:

            Wolfman, I’ve been meaning to get back to your post.

            The Power Mongers gain nothing if America is a peaceful, fair, nice place to live, that don’t take crap from the rest of the world….because if there is no National hate,conflict,fear,…you don’t need Big Gov. to step in and ‘solve’ the causes of the problem ( that they creaed and perpetuate on purpose).”

            Once again, you’ve said a good truth here. At least partly. First of all, I’m sure you recall talk of the military-industrial complex during the Eisenhower years. Yes, war (or very heightened security) is good for business and Big Government.

            But the premise of your original statement had to do with the rudeness of one group to shout over another (anti-Vietnam War era?), and you equated that with the rise of the Progressives. I think that’s a short-sighted view. Of course, there were passionate feelings on both sides of that issue, and there was enough shouting and rudeness – and in some cases shootings and tear gas – to go around. But things DID quiet down after the War was over and after Roe v Wade in 1973.

            Then the abortion fights started again, the decertification of the Air Traffic Controllers union, the Sandinistas and Iran-Contra, etc, and we started to see the beginnings of a polarization in this country. I’m sure a sociologist or historian could do a much better job than me to put all the pieces together.

            But in regards to shouting and rudeness, I hope you’ll recall that it was a Republican Congressman who yelled out at Obama that he was a liar – that was a first. I hope you’ll notice how little respect the OFFICE of the president gets these days – it started during the Clinton years and it has certainly mushroomed during the Obama years. I hope you’ll notice all the people insisting on bringing weapons to an Obama speech or town hall meeting, in direct violation of many Secret Service practices – another first. I hope you’ll notice that it’s been a long time since we’ve heard one Senator address or refer to another Senator as “my distinguished colleague”, which was the norm during the last previous generation of politicians (Byrd, Kennedy, Lugar, Dole, etc) I hope you’ll recall, as I mentioned earlier, that FOX news and all the outlets that Murdoch controls pre-dates MSNBC by a number of years. I hope you’ll notice that, when you watch FOX news, the great majority of “news stories” are thinly-veiled opinion pieces on B.O. and the Democrats – it just never seems to be news for news’ sake, but rather just another way to attack the liberals. I don’t see that same type of news reporting on CNN, nor do I see mention of politics in most of their stories – they’re just reporting events rather than opining about the cause of them, or blaming them on someone.

            Yes, I agree that hate, conflict and fear is good for Big Government. But Big Government isn’t even the main contributor to that anymore. It’s the media – and I blame FOX in particular as the chief rabble-rouser – and the internet, with websites like this one that allow people to talk freely and anonymously about anything they want, including hate speech and conspiracy theories, that gain their own momentum and truth.

            Just a closing thought: The First Amendment guarantees our freedom of speech, and to freely associate. But do you really think the Founding Fathers envisioned and intended that freedom to speak freely to also speak anonymously? They were envisioning people publishing a newspaper or a tract, or standing up in the town square and saying whatever they wanted. They envisioned debate. They were dealing in a time when people “owned” their words and could speak their opinions but also had to defend their opinions in public. Now we have people with billions of dollars who are “speaking” thru PACs and their chosen candidates/elected officials, and the courts say they can do that. Fine. But why do they think they get to do it anonymously? Why is it that, if it had to be revealed who was donating what, that their First Amendment rights would be curtailed? Fortunately now, some courts are starting to rule that the billionaires don’t have the right to remain anonymous, and this will be an interesting issue to follow.

            And let’s do away with all this tax-exempt hocus-pocus and make all this SuperPac fundraising taxable – it’s total nonsense the way it is now.

          13. Wolfman says:

            Great piece. Without nitpicking…I can’t disagree with the overall logic, sequence of events, and the conclusions…including the one about our Founding Fathers not anticipating 24 hour anonymous intelligent discussion mixed with irrelevant , often times vile,’ personal’ attacks ( if that is the proper term) on a call name /avatar combination!!!
            Once again I know we differ on a lot of subjects… but you are correct!!!
            Which brings me to …what the heck is ‘NitWit’ seeing in your posts that have anything to do with what he said???….Or is he simply exhibit ‘A’ for the anonymous ‘hate speech’, kinda like Dean Ambrose representing the Lunatic Fringe in the WWE. Good job Sigs. Maybe I’ll be back maybe not…this Universities doing everything BUT actually being an open minded education forum has gotten me down bad!!!!

      2. AKLady2015 says:

        Obama has not violated a single law.
        Obama has not exceeded Presidential authority.
        You simply are ignorant of the law, and too damn lazy to look it up. It is also possible you have no idea how to look it up.

        No, I guess we should start with the many Americans who allow themselves to be brainwashed with hate propaganda.

    3. Wolfman says:

      I hate every part of your argument…….but you are generally correct….the assumption that everyone who is responding to you in anger is making is just because a person is not forced to say he will bear arms to protect the USA …does not mean that he won’t bear arms to protect the USA should the need arise. I do not recall that I as a natural born citizen had to make such a promise…but if push comes to shove…I’ll be there…albeit as some old washed up shadow of my youth.
      Sigs, the problem with logic is that it has no ‘feelings’…it doesn’t care what your or my opinion is…it just is a sequence of facts that lead to a conclusion.
      In reality I’d rather fight side by side with someone I know is there on principle instead of ‘On account a’ I was forced to be here’….that’s usually a sign you actually have no back up. Kinda like having Bowe the ‘blinky eyed’ Bird Dog in your outfit….he sneaks out and some of the brave members of his outfit died looking for him….guess he forgot the oath he took!!

      1. I Seigel says:

        The oath of citizenship I heard this past July 4th at a big ceremony in my city included a line (for the first time?) about performing “a service” if called upon, in addition to the line about picking up arms if called upon. Interesting. But I’m not sure if it was an either-or choice, or both if called upon.

        My recollection of the Bowe investigations is that no one died while actually looking for the guy. But that’s really irrelevant to the points you are making. Just thought I’d mention it.

        1. Carol Johnson says:

          So the military personnel who were in his unit who went on tv and said members of their unit were killed while out looking for the traitor are liar’s? Is that what you’re saying? I read one line of your comment and can tell you have the mental disease called Liberalism. Only cure for it is annihilation. Take your terrorist loving, America destroying, disgrace for a president, your gay’s, illegals and Muslin lovers you embrace and go destroy his father’s country. All your certificates on the wall mean nothing. You’re an obvious idiot.

          1. I Seigel says:

            I’ll have to check. I didn’t know I had certificates.

            One “line” did you read that gave me away as suffering from “Liberalism”?

            As to Bergdahl, like I said, my recollection of the investigations was that no one died while actually going out to look for him. Could you please post a news story that indicates otherwise, instead of just your trite and juvenile bla bla?

            You know today is Sunday? Go to church yet? If not, try washing your mouth out at the baptismal font, or the toilet if more appropriate.

            By the way, I just checked real news sources, like the Army. I hope they’re not biased one way or the other:

            There are mention of the charges against Bowe here. Nothing whatsoever about claims that soldiers died while looking for him. Please post a REAL news source that proves otherwise.

            The conservative National Review has a contrary opinion, of course:
            But they, too, admit there’s no hard proof that soldiers died while directly looking for Bergdahl, regardless of what other soldiers said. And that’s probably why the Army didn’t bring a charge on that accusation.

    4. Wolfman says:

      Sigs, the gay marriage thing has a religious component to it that is a factor…you are allowed to be a conscientious objector for war….why not gay marriage??? In actuality the Supreme’s gay marriage ruling has no Constitutional Basis since marriage is technically a State’s Rights issue. I’m proud to say I’m one of the a**holes you mentioned in that regard ( also in many other ways I have an a**hole Certificate and an a**hole Merit Badge on the wall in my office to prove that in general . Actually ,I’m fairly well known in the County where I live and if you say a**hole in public most people think you are referring to me). That is the one part of your argument made above that I was not able to tie together logically.

      1. I Seigel says:

        Excellent point. Have you heard any attorneys or officials make that argument? I haven’t. Maybe at some point there will be a made an accommodation for CO status in the matter of gay stuff, and maybe even contraception. I think it would have some potential in a court of law. But, sssh, don’t tell anybody.

        Yeah, I got carried away with the a••hole name-calling thing. Shouldn’t have done that. That kind of talk just weakens one’s argument. Sorry.

        1. Wolfman says:

          No! Oh by the way I wear the names I’m called like a badge of honor…no apologies to me are necessary.

      2. AKLady2015 says:

        Equality under the law is a federal issue.
        Laws which discriminate are a federal issue.

      3. AKLady2015 says:

        No member of the clergy is required to officiate at a same-sex marriage.
        Public servants, on the other hand may not discriminate.
        The major problems feeding this issue are religious beliefs and ignorance.

    5. Don’t worry, your right to have your boy put his penis in your rectum is still allowed, and you are also still allowed to screw your pet goat and wear your diaper on your head.

      1. I Seigel says:

        Nice Nitwhit!! What an intelligent comment! You seem to be constantly mentioning rectums and goats. Do you have a hangup you want to share with us, or maybe a pleasant memory or dream, that’s just making you feel the slightest bit guilty? Cmon, you can tell us, we’re all friends here.

        1. AKLady – You supporters of these Homo perverts are the embarrassment to our Nation! Same with your ignorant support of Obama and Islam. Stupid is as Stupid does and both of you have proven, beyond a doubt, to be very ignorant of reality. But, if idiots didn’t exist, it sure would be boring, no one to make fun of, like you two, lol!

          1. I Seigel says:

            Aw Nitwhit! You were so eager to prove how ignorant you are and to spew more of your hate rants that you didn’t notice you were replying to me! Looks like your filth was intended for AK Lady. You should try again. She might never see it otherwise, and I’m sure she’d like to enjoy the LOL.

            Oh, and you probably didn’t notice either that this citizenship story has nothing to do with homo perverts. You keep wanting to go back to that topic tho. Is there something you’re not telling us? Maybe you’re having naughty dreams about an old prison buddy, or that time in the locker room after the big high school football game?

            By the way, Nitwhit, I figured you’d have been rounded up and put in a detention camp by now. Didn’t those Jade Helmers find you yet, or are you just too cagey for ’em, hiding out in some swamp somewhere in your camos and your guns playing junior militia boy?

          2. You have to be the most ignorant and stupid person on this site! Now go back to playing with your other retards of the LEFT and maybe some day, you might, if your lucky, have half a brain. Maybe the military would be good for you to help you mature from your childish ignorance, or are you too cowardly and wimpy to serves? Most likely not even an American, or are you? No, go back to licking up your Kenyan Muslim Queer’s vomit. You seem to enjoy it very much.

          3. AKLady2015 says:

            “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
            ― Martin Luther King Jr.

          4. AKLady2015 says:

            Ignorance is bliss. Science is firmly against you.
            Biological determinants for homosexuality have been, and are continuing to be revealed. Markers have been identified on the X chromosome and on chromosome 8.

      2. AKLady says:

        Your childish, vulgar post is an embarrassment to America.
        Please find somewhere you like better and move there — tonight.

      3. AKLady2015 says:

        Your sewer mouth and ignorance say it all.

        1. Another Leftist Twat that hates being told the truth about themselves, lol! Keep denying, but reality is reality, no matter how badly you want to think otherwise.

        2. Apparently you like it, you keep coming back, lol!

          1. AKLady2015 says:

            First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
            Because I was not a Socialist.

            Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
            Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

            Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
            Because I was not a Jew.

            Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

            Martin Niemöller

    6. AKLady says:

      Freedom of religion is the stone upon which this country is built.
      Religious objection to the oath has always been honored.

    7. AKLady2015 says:

      Facts are funny things —
      Being able to “opt out” of killing has always been possible.
      It is called contentious objector status.

  • curtmavi38 says:

    Congress should stand up both republicans and democrats and stop Obama from these sort of rulings. Mr. Cotton stop him. meh

    1. The redhawk says:


      1. AKLady says:

        Maybe you should be more careful about who you elect?
        Oh, that is right – you are not yet old enough to vote.

        1. The redhawk says:

          Why Does AK have so Many BOVINE DROPPING Idiots Inbred living there???

          1. AKLady says:

            Fact carries weight.
            Insults are simply childish.

          2. scott says:

            facts are your a terrorist piece of sh-t

          3. AKLady says:

            Grow up.

            Name calling is something most give up by the 2nd or 3rd grade.

            Get an education — All Muslims are not terrorists. All terrorists are not Muslim.

            Catholic terrorists are murdering in the Central African Republic.

            Religious hate is wrong.

        2. scott says:

          better yet more careful about what scum we let into our country,like you.

          1. AKLady says:

            Religious hate is wrong.

            I am an American, born in America.

            Freedom of Religion is the foundation this country is built upon.

            Grow up.

            Name calling is something most give up by the 2nd or 3rd grade.

            Get an education — All Muslims are not terrorists. All terrorists are not Muslim.

            Religious hate is wrong.

  • scott says:

    no one knows what it means to be an american.the liberals teach them being american is just being in our country and living off americans tax dollars like leechs.and keep voting dumocrat

    1. The redhawk says:

      Well just look HOW big the NUMBERS of Americans in POverty and on FOOD STAMPS GREW… To those BOVINE DROPPINGS of the Progressive Anarchist Party ( ONCE KNOWN AS THE DEMOCRAT PARTY) the bigger the Numbers the More successful they are!!!

      1. Wolfman says:

        Redhawk,,I’m not going to make this comment to tick you off!!! I can tell by your posts that you are already ticked off and I don’t blame you…although I try to control my temper on these posts…but Progressive is a Big Government concept…and Anarchist is a no Government concept…. I got your point .. but…just thought I’d give you a heads up for the future… in case you may not want to use them together.
        I’ll close this by calling myself a trouble making pile of bovine droppings not worthy of even being accused of being from Canarsie.

      2. AKLady says:

        Screaming, foot stamping, foul language … Yes, child even synonyms are offensive.

        You have simply given everyone an impression you surely did not intend.

        Suggestion — if you want your opinion to be accepted as coming from an adult, you might want to act like one.

        1. The redhawk says:

          AWW Go back to all FOUR Hooves and drag your Udders…

          1. scott says:

            nice reply

          2. The redhawk says:

            iT must have been SAID… UUU-RAHH

          3. AKLady2015 says:

            Another sewer mouth.

          4. scott says:

            your just a hypocrite waste of life pig

          5. AKLady2015 says:

            Baby boy — lesson: Your remark is a waste. You can spew filth until you die. You have no power over anyone.

          6. scott says:

            worthless loud mouthed nigg-r

          7. AKLady2015 says:

            All school records are sealed, even yours — it is the law.
            You entire rant is an example of American bigotry and hate.
            You are an embarrassment to America.

          8. scott says:

            you show what a mentally ill hypocrite liberal piece of sh-t you are.your not even an american you filthy dirt pig and your going to tell americans what america is about you filthy dik sucking hore.

          9. AKLady says:

            Do you kiss your wife with that filthy mouth?

          10. scott says:

            only thing filthy is your dirt dwelling skanky terrorist muslim as- you pos

          11. AKLady says:

            No, Scott, your advocating hate for millions for the acts if a few is wrong.

            Your words of hate will not solve the problem. Hate will not garner the world support needed to end the killing.

            Your mouth as it now spews hate will only create more hate for America. You are the epitome of the “Ugly American.”

            Clean up your act. Address the real problem makers. Islam is the world’s second largest religion. If your statements was not lies, we would all be long dead,

            You could have used that picture to garner support, but you chose to use it as an attempt to insult someone.

          12. AKLady says:

            No, Scott, your advocating hate for millions for the acts if a few is wrong.

            Your words of hate will not solve the problem. Hate will not garner the world support needed to end the killing.

            Your mouth as it now spews hate will only create more hate for America. You are the epitome of the “Ugly American.”

            Clean up your act. Address the real problem makers. Islam is the world’s second largest religion. If your statements was not lies, we would all be long dead,

            You could have used that picture to garner support, but you chose to use it as an attempt to insult someone.

          13. scott says:

            wrong you hypocrite scumbag.your entire so called religion is of death and violence.thats the whole goal.and its not a few its every one of scumbags want to ban hundreds of millions of gun owners rights to bear arms because of a hundred or so career criminals every year so whos the ones trying to blame others for their hatred of a few cant peddle your liberal backwards bullsh-t any more filthy are the worlds enemys just as youve been since your pedophile murdering leader scumbag mohammed started killing in 600 ad.burn in hell evil pig.

          14. scott says:

            more proof

          15. scott says:


          16. AKLady says:

            Grow up.
            Get an education.
            Do you kiss your children with that foul mouth?

          17. scott says:

            islam has done nothing but mureder from day terrorist filth have killed 41 million christians since you started your death cult.thats not just a few scumbag.the only terrorism being done hundreds of times a day is by are the scourge and enemy of the world you will be elliminated.

          18. AKLady says:

            Name calling is something most give up about the 2nd or 3rd grade.

            Islam is the second largest of the world’s religions.
            The Middle East is a miniscule part of that vast religion.

            All terrorists are not Muslim.
            All Muslims are not terrorists.

            Are there terrorists who are using a religion to kill? Yes. Catholic terrorists are murdering in the Central African Republic.

            Teaching religious hate is wrong.

            Your insults speak to ignorance and bigotry.

          19. scott says:

            islam is evil and about death and destruction.every muslim is a terrorist.if you believe in the koran of death then you are an evil terrorist.if your not you wouldnt be a part of a death cult nigg-r.EVERY MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST.your responsible for 41 million deaths of christians.thats not a few as-hole.your a filthy muslim pig that will die soon when america spits you out of the country.

          20. AKLady says:

            Filthy mouthed, immature scum.
            Lying, childish fool.
            If every Muslim was at war with the US, you would be dead.

          21. AKLady says:

            How can you tell Scott is lying?
            He is typing.

          22. scott says:

            your the epitome of terrorist evil scum.all mass gun shootings in american hystory dont make up 1 million.yet you want to disarm an entire nation.muslims have killed over 41 million christians and claim your peaceful and its just a few.your the delusional evil pig from satan.

          23. AKLady says:

            WAR IS A DE ATH CULT — all war.

            American terrorist, evil scum killed millions of First People. My grandmother’s people among them.

            There is Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Then, there is Korea and Vietnam — 10 to 15 million deaths

            Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan. — roughly 14 million civilians.

            America’s victim nations: Afghanistan, Ngola, Argentina, Bolivia, Braizl, Chad, Chile. China, Columbia. Cuba. Democratic Republic of Congo, Dominican Republic. East Timor. El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Hungry, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Palestine, North Korea, South Koreas, Laos, Vietnam, Nepal, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Panama, Philippines, Paraguay, Uruguay, Sudan, Vietnam, Yugoslavia …

            As usual, you are making assumptions.

            I am not Muslim.

          24. scott says:

            oh your a muzscum alright.and the only thing we did wrong is not kill all you savages then,but we will this time scumbag.get ready to meet your filthy ancestors soon.

          25. AKLady says:

            Grow up.

            Religious hate is wrong — no matter who is doing it.

          26. scott says:

            weare the strongest,greatest country in the world sh-tbag.get out of it you stinking worthless nigg-r if you hate us so much.your going to be leaving one way or another,believe it.

          27. AKLady says:

            Do you kiss your loved ones with that filthy mouth?
            Name calling is infantile.
            America has not won a war since WW II.
            The Korean War is still active.
            Vietnam was lost.
            Iraq is in enemy hands.
            Afghanistan is ongoing
            Somali is ongoing
            Libya is ongoing
            ISIS is ongoing

          28. scott says:

            thats right,all by filthy muslim scum like you.being helped by the gay muslim scum in the white house.but you dumb nigg-r scum are to dumb to realize you cant beat america ans we will elliminate you once and for all rag headedpiece of sh-t.

          29. The redhawk says:

            RUG CHEWING AGAIN???????????

          30. AKLady2015 says:

            I have news for you — You insults are a total waste of time. I find them hilarious. Grow up.

        2. scott says:

          suggestion for you crazy as-hole.go hang your worthless self

          1. AKLady2015 says:

            Suggest you grow up.
            Stop having temper tantrums.

          2. scott says:

            suggest you go die somewhere filthy whore

          3. AKLady2015 says:

            Another childish temper tantrum.
            Did you skip school today?
            Are you one of those unemployed takers sitting home on welfare?

    2. AKLady says:

      How dare you trivialize the symbol which represent the deaths of over eight million innocents!

      Your post is an insult to not just America, but the entire world.

      Your trivialization of poverty is unconscionable.

      Your hate has no place in America.

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